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Section sizes

Section size for George Mallory (48 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	4,412	4,412
Early life and teaching career	35	20,002
Childhood	2,335	5,600
1896–1905: Glengorse and Winchester College	3,265	3,265
1905–09: Magdalene College, Cambridge	9,272	9,272
1909–10: Interim	1,754	1,754
1910–14: Charterhouse School	3,341	3,341
Climbing in Europe	24	17,822
The Alps	6,842	6,842
Scotland	3,281	3,281
Wales	3,607	3,607
England	4,068	4,068
Marriage and the First World War	8,762	8,762
The lure of Everest	4,492	4,492
Everest expeditions	24	63,203
1921 British Mount Everest reconnaissance expedition	5,862	5,862
Lectures, writing, and preparation for the 1922 expedition	1,726	1,726
1922 British Mount Everest expedition	2,575	15,404
First summit attempt, Mallory, Somervell, Norton, and Morshead	8,515	8,515
Second summit attempt, Finch and Bruce	1,584	1,584
Third summit attempt, Mallory, Somervell, Crawford and the North Col avalanche	2,730	2,730
Announcement of a third expedition, lectures and writing	2,514	2,514
North America lecture tour and writing	5,976	5,976
Cambridge lecturer and Olympic medal	6,734	6,734
1924 British Mount Everest expedition	2,908	24,963
Mallory and Bruce attempt	3,861	3,861
Mallory and Irvine's last climb	15,078	15,078
Message from the King and memorial service at St Paul's Cathedral	3,116	3,116
Lost on Everest for 75 years	33	38,538
Discovery of the ice axe, 1933	5,105	5,105
Smythe's sighting, 1936	2,904	2,904
Holzel, Everest historian	7,422	7,422
1986 Mount Everest North Face Research Expedition	7,080	7,080
1999 Mallory and Irvine Research Expedition	12,275	12,275
Further expeditions	3,719	3,719
Timeline	2,283	2,283
Theories	364	11,176
"Second Step"	6,142	6,142
Western disturbance	4,670	4,670
Legacy	16,505	16,505
See also	149	149
Footnotes	40	40
References	33	45,308
Bibliography	19	45,275
Books	19,477	19,477
Journals	25,063	25,063
Magazines	716	716
External links	2,216	2,216
Total	234,908	234,908

George Mallory first to summit Everest

There is no doubt that Mallory summited Everest. He shot off a flare rocket from the top of the summit witnessed by two men who had a telescope on the summit . That was the victory of the climb rocket he took with him. The men were later told what they saw was a snow reflection and not to officially report it.

The question is what is considered a successful summit. IF you reach the top and then die is that a successful summit? Many people believe a successful summit. Is to climb to the top of a mountain and then return to the bottom alive. Medical doctors have said if both tried to climb and reach the summit it would have been a 25% chance of making it.IF Mallory took all the O2 and made a single suicide climb to the top his odds were 50%. In either case both died on top of the mountain.

Most professional mountain climbers believe that Mallory reached the summit and then later died on his way down. The lack of oxygen and extreme cold were factors in his death.

Mallory summit question

Would it not be possible to check Mallory's fingers or toes in order to get a better idea if he had reached the summit or Not?

Climbers today often get frostbite after they reach a very high altitude and that's with the modern gear so would it not stand to reason mallorys digets would be first bitten? Kootenayboy (talk) 02:07, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Frostbite is pretty rare, and unrelated to whether or not a climber achieved a summit or not. In fact, getting summit is one reason why climbers might turn around short of the summit. So it wouldn't tell you much. Stevage 02:54, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

LGBT people from England

Why is this under the category LGBT people from England? No supported within text. --DBBell (talk) 02:14, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DBBell He was at least bisexual, yes disappointing it merely says he was "friends with" a bunch of Bloomsbury Group gays. 2A01:4B00:BE01:6600:86C7:B7C7:11DB:793C (talk) 11:46, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removed claim

>Wang reportedly found Mallory's ice axe near his body (and took it with him).^{[citation needed]} If this is true, then Mallory not only survived the initial fall with Irvine, but was in possession of his axe until the last seconds before striking a rock that stopped his final fall.

I'm very dubious about this claim so have removed it. Stevage 02:53, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

School info missing

Does anyone possessing the referenced books (the Wade Davis book or Robert Graves' biography) know two things strangely omitted from the article who could add them??

He was studying history (one link says "to read history", I assume that's strange old-fashioned English for studying it??), then "gained his degree". A degree in History?
He taught at Charterhouse. What exactly did he teach? History? Literature? Mountaineering??

I get that all anyone cares about is that he climbed stuff, but "Teacher" is listed as one of his two professions. This page would be more complete if it could list these two rather relevant things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:981:8EBE:1:6D5F:9B94:BB91:15A3 (talk) 14:42, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Acid

I search up has anyone checked her from Mount Everest and this is what came up with though 207.230.69.105 (talk) 19:10, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sir Edmund Hillary Opinion on the summit question.

IN private conversations Hillary said it is 50/50 George Mallory reached the top. Unless a camera is found it cant be verified either way. As for summiting Mount Everest i was the first to reach the top. My climb is verified by many sources. And i survived to reach the base of the mountain after the climb to the top. IF Mallory reached the top and died on the way down its a shame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1015:A022:2D41:E539:5B8E:74F2:2BAE (talk) 05:18, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Birkenhead

The location of Birkenhead in Cheshire only needs to be mentioned once. Similarly the note "Please do not alter this historically correct information. Birkenhead is now part of the Metropolitan Borough of Wirral, Merseyside, but it was part of Cheshire until 1974. All the dates and information about Birkenhead in this article refer to pre-1974" does not need to be repeated each time Birkenhead is mentioned (if at all).

I hope we can agree that is the correct drill. Thank you. Nedrutland (talk) 09:27, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I invite @Zephronion: to explain why the Birkenhead note is necessary, and, if it is necessary once, why it needs to be repeated. I believe it was only you that recently added "Birkenhead, Merseyside"; if there had been a history of editors repeatedly adding Merseyside, the need for the note would be clearer. Nedrutland (talk) 15:18, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Length

This article is just extremely long. There are numerous parts with excessive citations, and a lot of the material here doesn't seem to precisely convey what Mallory was actually well-known for. What should be cut? Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 14:12, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Zephronion Would you kindly like to explain how this article, which before the cuts, was longer than the United States article? It still has hundreds more citations than the United States article. It is patently obvious that there is a lot of undue weight and trivial information. As per WP:LENGTH, we should strongly consider removing material. Before your additions, this article was at around ~70,000 bytes, which was far more manageable.

Keep in mind that the United States article was considered too long...and this article is even longer.

The problems are evident. For instance:

Trained at the camp with the Royal Artillery's new generation of 60-pounder heavy guns, which had a maximum firing range of about 12,300 yd (11,247 m). The details on the guns just aren't crucial information on an article about this subject.
During his second year at Magdalene, Mallory made several new friends outside the college. This is just plain trivia.
Trip to Ireland Section. This whole section boils down to speculation and subject matter not really commonly associated with Mallory. You could probably just put down "Mallory supported the Irish struggle for independence." And that would be perfectly fine. (Probably).
On 1 July 1916, the Battle of the Somme began with British and French infantries attacking the Germans along the Somme. The 40th Siege Battery's primary duty was to fire a lifting barrage at the opposing force. We could condense the entirety of his military career, frankly.
Christiana Ruth Turner (1891–1942) was the second daughter of prosperous architect Hugh Thackeray Turner (1853–1937) and Mary Elizabeth Turner (née Powell; 1854–1907)... The entire section devoted to Ruth is just unnecessary. We could just say they were married?

These are just a few examples. You could cut the article in half and you'd still be able to find material to toss away. Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 17:15, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree. This article is a bit of a mess. Also there are huge swathes of material written by authors where he or she is citing their own book rather than secondary sources, i.e. self promotion/COI. I thought that goes against Wikipedia rules? 31.94.19.13 (talk) 08:57, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which parts in particular? Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 17:20, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was referring to almost all the subheadings under the "Lost on Everest for 75 years". Holzel's section seems to rely entirely on his own book, for example. I am new here so don't know how to start the 'citation needed' ball rolling. 31.94.19.13 (talk) 09:17, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What's the quickest route to the summit of Wikipedia: a Featured Article star?

What does it need to get to Camp Good Article? Then we can stop off at peer review, before the final ascent to Featured Article. Much of the article is a list of facts about actions, he took a boat here, went up this mountain on this day, became a school teacher in this year. There's only bits of insight into his character, even tho he had an interesting character, e.g. if you read his letters to his wife. I'm listening to 'Into the Silence' which should give ideas. What more do we need to add and take away to get to Featured? Tom Crean (explorer) is perhaps the closest Featured Article? As it looks like it's the only one an explorer, even though he's less written about. Grateful for interesting observations from reliable sources on Mallory's character and assessments of him we can add! Tom B (talk) 09:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]