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September 7
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September 6
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RD: Cathy Merrick
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ornithoptera (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Indigenous leader in Canada and Grand Chief of the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:04, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Paul Goldsmith
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.indycar.com/News/2024/09/09-06-Goldsmith-Obit
Credits:
- Nominated by RegalZ8790 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
RegalZ8790 (talk) 01:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Ongoing: Brazilian investigation into Elon Musk
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Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): Vide previous candidate
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
- Oppose We’ve already had a nomination for this. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 01:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose We have never put ongoing court actions on the ongoing line, nor would this be a case of that much import to be the first such one. --Masem (t) 01:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose already discussed below with no consensus to post. This nomination is just trying to game the process. Natg 19 (talk) 02:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Already proposed Aug. 31. No means no. --Pats2017 (talk) 03:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article discussion has already been closed with no consensus to post, no need to add this to ongoing after that. Hungry403 (talk) 03:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose there was no consensus to post this less than a week ago, and with all due respect the nom was one of the users lobbying for it. The Kip (contribs) 05:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Sérgio Mendes
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, LA Times
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E121:3DD7:6095:EC33 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Brazilian musician. 240F:7A:6253:1:E121:3DD7:6095:EC33 (talk) 16:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support once ready: A front-figure of bossa nova and one of the most famous Brazilian musicians of all time, together with Antônio Carlos Jobim and Vinicius de Moraes. The article still needs a lot of sources, though, and I'm afraid I won't be able to help myself... Oltrepier (talk) 16:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Oltrepier: notability isn't a factor in RD nominations, as having an article is proof of notability in itself Abcmaxx (talk) 17:36, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, article has sourcing maintenance tag, citation needed tags and several unsourced paragraphs. Suonii180 (talk) 20:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
San Marino national football team
[edit]Blurb: San Marino national football team, the lowest-ranked FIFA-affiliated national team, wins the first competitive victory in their 36-year history (Post)
News source(s): ESPN.com
Credits:
- Nominated by Holapaco77 (talk · give credit)
Holapaco77 (talk) 11:50, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sports trivia. --Masem (t) 12:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose We should not be posting the results of individual games, unless possibly it is a championship game. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose whilst one of the worst sports teams in history winning did garner some coverage, this doesn't meet WP:ITNQUALITY, not least because it's probably not important enough to have its own article. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - seems more like a Did You Know. Nfitz (talk) 14:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose big news for all the Tim Traveller fans out there, but ITN isn't the place for this, belongs in a did you know blurb. Scu ba (talk) 15:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose target article football is the world's biggest sport and San Marino has a unique place within it. However, if this singular win is that notable, then really there should be an article about the match itself. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:33, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Re-opened after closure (Much as I love San Marino, consensus to post won't develop. The Kip (contribs) 19:09, 6 September 2024 (UTC)}}); maybe it won't reach consensus, but really not even half a day is certainly too short a time span to be closing any nomination. Let's give a chance for others to comment. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 21:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Congrats to San Marino! Cool story, but more fitting for DYK than ITN. --Pats2017 (talk) 01:42, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose while this is probably significant news for San Marino, I fail to see how this is really significant for the rest of the world. Editor 5426387 (talk) 04:10, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Ten to nothing, "remarkable". InedibleHulk (talk) 05:36, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose While interesting, it's more suited for DYK than ITN, as per Pats2017 and Nfitz. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Radha Charan Gupta
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News18
Credits:
- Nominated by jacobolus (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
One of the most prolific and celebrated Indian historians of mathematics. –jacobolus (t) 05:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Laurent Tirard
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E121:3DD7:6095:EC33 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Cognitivism (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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French film director and screenwriter. 240F:7A:6253:1:E121:3DD7:6095:EC33 (talk) 15:37, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good. Cognitivism (talk) 16:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose There are several cleanup tags in the article. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Rich Homie Quan
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Source
Credits:
- Nominated by Heatrave (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Heatrave (talk) 19:05, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Just one CN and it's not something especially controversial. Overall article is in decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article in good shape. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- CN tag seems to be fixed now. UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support RIP, article looks good. 139.164.154.33 (talk) 08:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Michel Barnier appointed Prime Minister of France
[edit]Blurb: Michel Barnier (pictured) is appointed Prime Minister of France by President Emmanuel Macron. (Post)
News source(s): "Live blog: Macron names Michel Barnier new prime minister". France24. 2024-09-05. Retrieved 2024-09-05.; "Michel Barnier named by Macron as new French PM". BBC News. 2024-09-05.
Credits:
- Nominated by UndercoverClassicist (talk · give credit)
UndercoverClassicist T·C 13:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good! His article is a little bit short but I'm sure it will get longer as he fulfills his role as France's new Prime Minister. Flyingfishee (talk) 13:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support, not ITN/R but still very relevant as the conclusion of two months of political uncertainty. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:44, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks good, politically relevant and a major event especially following the stalling of rejection of a leftist government. Scu ba (talk) 14:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is good but could probably do with some more content given his lengthy career before today. Appointment of the head of government of a P5 member is highly notable. AusLondonder (talk) 15:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Oppose The article is missing many citations, such as in the National politics section and Honours & Decorations sections. Also, the article contains no information on Barnier's actions between the 2022 French presidential election and being appointed PM.Gödel2200 (talk) 15:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)- I've sorted the National politics section; working on the decorations at the moment. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot written on his activities between 2022 and today, at least going by what I can find on frWiki and French sources, so we can't include much per WP:DUEWEIGHT -- unless you have some sources I haven't seen? UndercoverClassicist T·C 16:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, there doesn't seem to be anything significant written about him between the 2022 election and now. Sourcing all of the awards unfortunately would be difficult (though I see some were removed, which is perfectly fine by me). Gödel2200 (talk) 18:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's unfortunate -- my hope is that good sources for them exist, but I can't find anything (even in the awarding nations' languages) other than Wikipedias or Wiki-mirrors. The German Wikipedia has a very suspicious citation to "Federal Government" (in plain text) for the German award. All removed for now -- we now have no CN tags and I think the article's referencing should be up to the standard we need. UndercoverClassicist T·C 18:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, there doesn't seem to be anything significant written about him between the 2022 election and now. Sourcing all of the awards unfortunately would be difficult (though I see some were removed, which is perfectly fine by me). Gödel2200 (talk) 18:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support The article is much better cited now, with only one uncited award left. It would be good to have more detail about this years French legislative election on his page (it only is mentioned in the lede right now). Gödel2200 (talk) 19:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oops -- I missed that one -- another dubious case; removed. UndercoverClassicist T·C 20:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support as it's been over 2 months since the French parliamentary elections, and this is a notable change in head of government. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 16:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Support in principal, but not impressed with article quality. It's pretty thin for such a major figure and referencing has some gaps. Nothing on his personal life and I can't even figure out what his politics are. Oppose pending article improvement.-Ad Orientem (talk) 16:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)- @Ad Orientem: There have been some recent changes which I think should solve this -- the referencing and politics in particular are now quite well covered, and I think we have as much of his personal life as is relevant, given that this is a political biography. UndercoverClassicist T·C 11:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Article is much improved. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:05, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem: There have been some recent changes which I think should solve this -- the referencing and politics in particular are now quite well covered, and I think we have as much of his personal life as is relevant, given that this is a political biography. UndercoverClassicist T·C 11:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The prime minister doesn’t administer the executive power in France, and this is the fourth person to be appointed to that position in four years.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- The prime minister is indeed the head of the executive branch in France. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 14:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- ITNR uses List of current heads of state and government to determine who administers the executive of each country and for France it is the President of France. This reply can also be my Oppose !vote I guess. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 04:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a reliable source, especially a page that does not cite any sources, such as the one you mention. As is well known, executive power is shared between the President and the Prime Minister according to the French Constitution. The Prime Minister heads the government, which "determines and conducts government policy". This is particularly evident in periods of cohabitation, such as the current period. Cf. [1]. The error on the page you mention has been fixed based on Article 21 of the French constitution. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 07:13, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- ITNR uses List of current heads of state and government to determine who administers the executive of each country and for France it is the President of France. This reply can also be my Oppose !vote I guess. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 04:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- The prime minister is indeed the head of the executive branch in France. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 14:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support (which should go without saying). Head of government and directs the actions of the government, which determines and conduct the policy of the Nation. Nfitz (talk) 03:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This seems very like the case of Speaker Johnson – someone appointed to get the budget through a hung parliament by hook or by crook. But that got shouted down while this gets more support. It's puzzling. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:40, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support The appointment of a head of government after months of chaos is notable. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 13:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Kiril Simeonovski above. I struggle to see if there is something extraordinary about this appointment compared to any other appointment. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 14:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose appointed positions are neither democratic or notable in principal, there is nothing special about this appointment to warrant inclusion as a blurb. additionally, the linked article Prime Minister of France is orange tagged. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:22, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- It appears you have made 200 edits to mainspace. Feel free to get some experience by fixing whatever you see as problematic. As for whether the Prime Minister of a country whose government is run by the prime minister is a notable position, we'll have to agree to disagree. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 14:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I am not literate in French so it'd be hard for me to improve that article by finding sources without relying on Google Translate (which seems unreliable). But your point is taken, I should spend more time in mainspace. :) Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- We only require the targeted article to be of sufficient quality - if we required all articles linked from the blurb to be of good quality, nothing would ever be posted. Gödel2200 (talk) 16:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- It appears you have made 200 edits to mainspace. Feel free to get some experience by fixing whatever you see as problematic. As for whether the Prime Minister of a country whose government is run by the prime minister is a notable position, we'll have to agree to disagree. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 14:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Those opposing are doing so largely based on faulty arguments: firstly, executive power is "bicephalous" (two-headed) in France. While the power of the prime minister is largely nominal when the President and PM are from the same party, this is not the case during divided government. Secondly, whether the nomination process is democratic or not does not determine whether something is newsworthy. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 08:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Rebecca Cheptegei
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Standard, BBC, The Guardian, L'Équipe, Il Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Oltrepier (talk · give credit)
- Updated by SnowShoes8 (talk · give credit), Heathy94 (talk · give credit), Geschichte (talk · give credit) and ElleAnónime (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: An Ugandan runner who most recently represented her country at the 2024 Summer Olympics, and has now fell victim of a horrible crime. The article definitely needs some more work, but the sources I've included should help us. Oltrepier (talk) 08:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment would this merit a blurb? She was a very renowned sportsperson around the world. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Abcmaxx As much as I'd like that possibility, I don't think so...
- Unlike Kelvin Kiptum's case, Cheptegei didn't have many notable achievements, aside of her victory at the 2021 WMTR Championships and her recent participation at the Olympics, and so most people would rather get to know her because of this extremely appalling event. Oltrepier (talk) 09:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now - the Sporting career section is very under-referenced at the moment. As above, probably not quite blurb level but worth noting that media around the world such as the NY Times and Guardian have it on their front pages. Such a really tragic story. — Amakuru (talk) 10:20, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment We've had two tragic deaths of notable sports individuals in the past week or so where editors seemed to have missed the WP:SPIRIT of WP:ITNRDBLURB and I'd encourage editors to really introspect on whether or not suppressing blurbs for these individuals is beneficial to our readers. ITN is pretty stale right now too, fwiw. Quality issues aside with this article, obviously, I Support blurb once usual citation issues are cleared up. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:36, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP is not a newspaper. ITN is not about reporting news but to feature encyclopedic quality articles that are in the news. Just because this is a tragic event to a recent Olympic athlete dies not mean it is appropriate to highlight the death as a blurb since their significance overall is minor, in addition to the poor state of the article. — Masem (t) 14:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Masem Johnny Gaudreau just got GA nominated, so it's not just about quality of the article. I will admit, this one needs some work, but multiple editors are working on it. Again, I'm just asking editors to really consider the reasons we're suppressing so many recent ITN nominations, what's the point of ITN if everything just gets tied up in WP:WIKILAWYER arguments? Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Death blurbs are held to a higher standard given that we automatically include all deaths of notable persons with quality articles in the RD line. — Masem (t) 15:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yea, I know, I think there's a semi-related discussion on Talk where I can continue my diatribe. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Death blurbs are held to a higher standard given that we automatically include all deaths of notable persons with quality articles in the RD line. — Masem (t) 15:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Masem Johnny Gaudreau just got GA nominated, so it's not just about quality of the article. I will admit, this one needs some work, but multiple editors are working on it. Again, I'm just asking editors to really consider the reasons we're suppressing so many recent ITN nominations, what's the point of ITN if everything just gets tied up in WP:WIKILAWYER arguments? Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP is not a newspaper. ITN is not about reporting news but to feature encyclopedic quality articles that are in the news. Just because this is a tragic event to a recent Olympic athlete dies not mean it is appropriate to highlight the death as a blurb since their significance overall is minor, in addition to the poor state of the article. — Masem (t) 14:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Substantial improvements in sourcing, the articlce's quality is good. Pinging updater @ElleAnónime:. --NoonIcarus (talk) 13:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- I've done some work on the article's prose; it would still benefit from more polish (I'm not convinced that we need all those race results), but I think it's over the line for what we need here. All remaining uncited material is gone and I've added some important facts from a recent World Athletics obituary. UndercoverClassicist T·C 21:01, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Picture Another candidate for an RD picture and it's a good one. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:34, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- The article is of good quality. Kcmastrpc makes a good argument for a blurb, and I am convinced this is blurb-worthy given the tragic nature of her death as noted by WP:ITNRDBLURB. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support, everything looks sourced. Suonii180 (talk) 16:33, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Commnet: I just wanted to thank everyone who took the time to improve and add sources to the article: it looks much better than it did when I first nominated it, and I think that's a good way to pay respect to Cheptegei. Oltrepier (talk) 16:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: looks ready for RD. Natg 19 (talk) 21:57, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 22:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
September 4
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RD: Hans-Ulrich Schmincke
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by Chaiten1 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: German academic and volcanologist. Chaiten1 (talk) 17:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to me. Hungry403 (talk) 03:58, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Noel Parmentel
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: NY Times obit published 4 September. Thriley (talk) 04:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Apalachee High School shooting
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: 4 are killed and 9 injured in a high school shooting in Georgia (Post)
Alternative blurb: 4 left dead in the first american school shooting of the year
News source(s): "4 dead in georgia school shooting". 2024-09-04. Retrieved 2024-09-05.; "A 14-year-old student fatally shot 4 people in a rampage at a Georgia high school, officials say". AP News. 2024-09-05.
Credits:
- Nominated by Normalman101 (talk · give credit)
- Note, I understand this is unfortunately common in the U.S, and that wikipedia is not ameri-centric, but it is in the news and I think it deserves discussion. Normalman101 (talk)
- Oppose Unfortunately, shootings happen fairly often in the US, and this one had "few" deaths or injuries. Natg 19 (talk) 19:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Few fatalities or injuries in one of these very common events. 64.114 etc 20:17, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Natg 19, unfortunately. School shootings are a dime a dozen in the USA. Kurtis (talk) 20:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose with regret -- we'd have to have a reserved item almost every day if we were going to report every US school shooting. UndercoverClassicist T·C 21:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose while tragic, mass shootings in the United States are far too common, with roughly 1 or 2 occurring daily. 24.166.251.29 (talk) 23:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Let's please not overexaggerate the gun violence problem in the US. Yes, shootings in the US are far too frequent to be posted unless they are highly unusual, but let's not create hyperbole around the situation, that does not help towards keeping ITN civil. --Masem (t) 00:07, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sadly this is a common event here in the United States. Would need either a considerably higher death toll or some other unusual circumstance (famous person involved, historic landmark damaged). The Lewiston, Maine, shooting last year that we posted had 20+ fatalities. --Pats2017 (talk) 00:25, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Father is being charged in connection; which is notable and is only the second time a parent has been charged in connection with a child allegedly committing mass murder. Kcmastrpc (talk) 00:32, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'd like to wager a guess and point out that this "additional comment" was a legitimate !vote when it began. Judging from the timestamps, it simply took over about two minutes to finish. Not sure how or even whether a closing admin should "count" it, now, just "letting the record show". While I'm here, I may as well clarify on the other other !voter's behalf that roughly one or two mass shootings do occur daily in the US, but mass murders do not. There's a difference, often overlooked when "these things" happen. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Correct, I was on mobile when I made this edit and that editor seems to auto-resolve conflicts. Kcmastrpc (talk) 02:25, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- And I suppose removing a key word from the OTHER other other !voter's rationale was just "an unfortunate incident", eh? A likely story (honestly). Now that that's settled, I think I'll Oppose, too, mostly because cases involving allegedly murderous children are historically particularly "problematic", BLPwise, and talking about our problems does not make them go away. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Correct, I was on mobile when I made this edit and that editor seems to auto-resolve conflicts. Kcmastrpc (talk) 02:25, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'd like to wager a guess and point out that this "additional comment" was a legitimate !vote when it began. Judging from the timestamps, it simply took over about two minutes to finish. Not sure how or even whether a closing admin should "count" it, now, just "letting the record show". While I'm here, I may as well clarify on the other other !voter's behalf that roughly one or two mass shootings do occur daily in the US, but mass murders do not. There's a difference, often overlooked when "these things" happen. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Luis Ayala
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Good article but needs more references in amateur career section. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Multiple citation needed tags are in place. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 18:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Bora Đorđević
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Good length article but needs a lot more references. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. For the usual reason. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 18:09, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
September 3
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RD: Wayne Graham
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:DDC5:B4B4:9ABF:9780 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by DarkStarHarry (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Spencer (talk · give credit) and Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
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Former coach for the Rice Owls. 240F:7A:6253:1:DDC5:B4B4:9ABF:9780 (talk) 22:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose needs a lot of referencing work, especially for the coaching section. Natg 19 (talk) 01:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Refs and some additional added. SpencerT•C 06:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Vladimir Bure
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://sports.yahoo.com/devils-mourn-passing-vladimir-bure-180000786.html
Article updated
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Four Olympic medals, two Stanley Cups. 21:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Quite Ready Overall short but adequate excepting the medals table which needs to be sourced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Charley Johnson
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:2D26:E48C:3EF9:D097 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Marbe166 (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
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Former quarterback for the Denver Broncos. 240F:7A:6253:1:2D26:E48C:3EF9:D097 (talk) 19:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Jacqueline Winsor
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ARTnews
Credits:
- Nominated by Jmanlucas (talk · give credit)
- Created by Petropoxy (Lithoderm Proxy) (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Strattonsmith (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and 50.101.200.254 (talk · give credit)
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Canadian-born American sculptor and contributor to the feminist movement. Article in good shape. Jmanlucas (talk) 23:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support I don’t see any glaring issues with the article. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 06:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support good quality article. Chaiten1 (talk) 06:53, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Almost there One CN tag. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:34, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- It is not there anymore so I assume it has been fixed. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 07:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- seems a good article. UndercoverClassicist T·C 10:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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2024 Makala prison jailbreak attempt
[edit]Blurb: 129 have died and a further 59 injured in an attempted jailbreak at Makala prison, Kinshasa, DR Congo. (Post)
Alternative blurb: 129 people are killed and dozens injured as a consequence of an attempted jailbreak at a prison in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of Congo.
Alternative blurb II: 129 people are killed after an attempted jailbreak at a prison in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of Congo.
News source(s): BBC News, The Guardian, AP News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Breaking news, global reach, just started article, help with expanding greatly appreciated. Given DR Congo is very under-reported, any good sources are vital. Significant tragedy, please don't comment on article quality until the article expands and has time to do so. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Would support on significance. AusLondonder (talk) 11:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now, but would support with an alternate blurb and expanded article. Personisinsterest (talk) 12:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment added altblurb. Sheila1988 (talk) 14:22, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait/Support Alt2 needs to break free of the stub status before posting. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Conditional Support Needs expansion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability but we should wait till article is expanded a bit. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, oppose on quality per above. The Kip (contribs) 18:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The article says that "Jailbreaks are common in the DRC" and no-one escaped in this case so it seems quite minor compared to the great escape in 2017 which we don't seem to have an article for. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- The death count is the significant part. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 22:16, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- This is an argument to create the missing 2017 Makala prison jailbreak surely. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- The death count is the significant part. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 22:16, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability—With no comment on article quality (though my support is contingent upon it being sufficiently sourced and well-written in principle). 129 people getting killed in a single event is a major news event worthy of a blurb on the main page. My preference is for alt. blurb 2, but maybe with the "and dozens injured" line from alt1 added in for good measure. Kurtis (talk) 02:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability due to at least 129 people being killed, with alt2 as my preference.
However, the article needs to be expanded before posting.Gödel2200 (talk) 12:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- The article is no longer a stub now, and looks long enough. Gödel2200 (talk) 11:44, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability - but I think that there needs to be an article at Makala Central Prison, not just a red link. Nfitz (talk) 15:44, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Conditional Support. Article needs a bit more work, but this is notable due to the high number of deaths. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 05:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Update thank you all for your help, shout out in particular to @Gödel2200: for expanding, article in much better shape now. Expanded majorly, but there is whole host of very good references if anyone believes it should be expanded further. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose ITN doesn't regularly post these kind of events, even with somewhat high deathcounts. Four recent examples from a very quick search of ITN archives are the Mahara prison riot, the February 2021 Ecuadorian prison riots, the Tuluá prison riot, and the September 2021 Guayaquil prison riot (which even had a similar death count of 123). The point is that prison riots or escapes are generally not notable, unless they were caused by something significant occurring outside the prison. Flyingfishee (talk) 12:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- The Mahara prison riot and Tuluá prison riot noms were not posted only due to quality issues (meaning there was not consensus against notability). For the other two mentioned examples (the February 2021 Ecuadorian prison riots and September 2021 Guayaquil prison riot), it does not seem that they were even nominated, which means there was not consensus against posting. In fact, prison riots do get featured on ITN. See for example this one, which was from June 2023. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Rodolfo Hernández Suárez
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Pais
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
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Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support past-tensed the article a bit, looks well-sourced otherwise. The Kip (contribs) 08:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good. The article was already in decent shape considering that he was the runner-up in the 2022 Colombian presidential election. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 12:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in a good shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 17:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: James Darren
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3], [4]
Credits:
- Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Speakfor23 (talk · give credit) and Radiohist (talk · give credit)
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Happily888 (talk) 01:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Needs work entire lead section is uncited. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 03:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose a orange tag, multiple cn tags, unsourced discography and filmography. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: John Schultz (footballer, born 1938)
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Western Bulldogs
Credits:
- Nominated by TyphoonAmpil (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sammyrice (talk · give credit)
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🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 04:01, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Much of the career section is unsourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 07:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose orange-tagged. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose orange tag needs to be resolved. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Typhoon Yagi (2024)
[edit]Blurb: Typhoon Yagi (pictured), leaves more than fourteen people dead in the Philippines. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Typhoon Yagi (pictured), leaves at least fourteen people dead in the Philippines.
News source(s): ABS CBN Rappler Inquirer
Credits:
- Nominated by TyphoonAmpil (talk · give credit)
- Not Ready Storm not ended 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 06:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose The storm is currently affecting the Philippines, but we should wait until it becomes clear. HurricaneEdgar 06:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- @HurricaneEdgar is Not Ready don't close 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 06:58, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose. There's so many problems. First of all, the typhoon is currently active and nothing is notable at the moment. Two deaths and a flooded city is not notable enough. Second, both of the blurbs are poorly written. Probably better to wait until the full damage becomes clear or just WP:SNOW close this for now. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 07:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Oppose- there are dozens of tropical storms a year. I have no idea what about this one has caused it to be ITN. Nfitz (talk) 08:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC) Change to Wait as the forecast shows this will become a much more serious storm (and become a Typhoon) before it hits China. Nfitz (talk) 21:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)- Walt storm has clear easy. 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 09:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment please correct me if I’m wrong but wouldn’t the correct term for a storm hitting the coast be something like “Typhoon XYZ hit ABC causing damage” not how the current suggested blurbs are written. Again please correct me if I’m wrong. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 09:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- There are many ways a nominator can write a blurb for a typhoon/hurricane/cyclone. See the blurb for the recent Typhoon Gaemi.
- For example, it can be like "Storm leaves more than number dead across this country" or "At least number people are killed when storm makes landfall over this country." With that said, I'm still not satisfied with either of the blurbs and I don't see this being posted on the ITN at the moment. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 10:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I had a problem with the grammar as “typhoon Yagi hit on Philippines” or “has hitted” makes no grammatical sense. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 11:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- 27.96.223.192 Yes it's
typhoon Yagi hit on Philippines
. Can fix? 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 11:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)- I don’t mean to be the grammar police but the I believe the correct term is “Typhoon Yagi has hit the Philippines causing XYZ damage”. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 12:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- I believe the correct term is "Tropical Storm Yagi". That said, despite weaking significantly, it appears it will strengthen significantly, and is forecast to hit the Hainan province of China as a category 3, if not 4, Typhoon; and and then head straight for Hanoi in North Vietnam, where it could be a category 1. So let's wait and see if this becomes a Typhoon and does some serious destruction. Nfitz (talk) 21:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, the grammar issue has been fixed in the blurb. I appreciate the feedback very much!. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 00:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I believe the correct term is "Tropical Storm Yagi". That said, despite weaking significantly, it appears it will strengthen significantly, and is forecast to hit the Hainan province of China as a category 3, if not 4, Typhoon; and and then head straight for Hanoi in North Vietnam, where it could be a category 1. So let's wait and see if this becomes a Typhoon and does some serious destruction. Nfitz (talk) 21:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don’t mean to be the grammar police but the I believe the correct term is “Typhoon Yagi has hit the Philippines causing XYZ damage”. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 12:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- 27.96.223.192 Yes it's
- Yeah I had a problem with the grammar as “typhoon Yagi hit on Philippines” or “has hitted” makes no grammatical sense. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 11:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose In its current state, not ready and not WP:ITNSIGNIF Schwinnspeed (talk) 09:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose an actual typhoon hit Japan recently, causing casualties, and that was rejected by ITN due to notability. Should be no different in this case for a tropical storm. Scu ba (talk) 16:00, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- @HurricaneEdgar @Midori No Sora @PrinceofPunjab @Schwinnspeed and @Scu ba why Oppose vote Yagi hit China, can Change to Wait soon is Strong Support Sep 6? 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 03:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Not notable enough in its current state; storm likely to have more impact in a few days.
- Noah, BSBATalk 03:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Hurricane Noah Wait Yagi hit China 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 03:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- @HurricaneEdgar @Midori No Sora @PrinceofPunjab @Schwinnspeed and @Scu ba why Oppose vote Yagi hit China, can Change to Wait soon is Strong Support Sep 6? 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 03:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Please be mindful of the difference between strong oppose and wait and the impact this has on the closing admin. A straight up vote count would lead to this being SNOW closed, regardless of what will transpire when this typhoon's impacts are finally fully realized. If you actually mean "wait", say wait. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Conditional support I'd be willing to support this once it hits landfall in Mainland China or Hong Kong and the article is updated to reflect events there. I don't understand why there are so many opposes right now, it will lead to the nomination being closed too soon. Flyingfishee (talk) 12:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait: article is in good shape, so no issues there, but this seems likely to become a bigger story imminently -- see today's mass evacuation in China for instance. UndercoverClassicist T·C 15:11, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
September 1
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RD: Pete Wade
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by OIM20 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: NY Times obit published 1 September. Thriley (talk) 03:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. While its decently sourced, the article is a stub and needs expansion. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 05:07, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Support while I would love to see an expansion, I think the article is just about alright. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
2024 Azerbaijani parliamentary election
[edit]Blurb: Ilham Aliyev's (pictured) ruling New Azerbaijan Party wins the 2024 Azerbaijani parliamentary election (Post)
Alternative blurb: The New Azerbaijan Party led by Ilham Aliyev (pictured) wins the 2024 Azerbaijani parliamentary election.
Alternative blurb II: The New Azerbaijan Party led by Ilham Aliyev (pictured) is announced as the winner of the 2024 Azerbaijani parliamentary election.
News source(s): EuroNewsAl-JazeeraAP
Credits:
- Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
- Created by TarPas (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: A national election that deserves to be ITN. Article could use an aftermath section though. Scu ba (talk) 14:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Added altblurb. "Ilham Aliyev's (pictured)" is odd wording. Natg 19 (talk) 17:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article is in a poor state and also, aren't these elections kind of the sham ones. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't change the fact all national elections are ITNR. Scu ba (talk) 17:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I find nothing wrong with posting "sham" elections, but oppose, as the article needs to be improved before it can be posted. Natg 19 (talk) 17:22, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sham election aside, the article is dreadfully lacking content. The Kip (contribs) 06:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Shocking election result, never saw it coming. Jokes aside it's ITNR and article is improving PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb and altblurb, added altblurb2 I think the word "wins" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in a dictatorship and such a doubtless sham election, to whitewash or omit this distinction would be misleading. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb2. Article isn't going to pass GAN any time soon, but it is fully referenced to what appear to be good sources, and gets the key information across -- no obvious deficiencies that should hold it back from the main page, especially given the ITNR nature of the event. UndercoverClassicist T·C 21:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Tim Bowden
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5], [6], [7]
Credits:
- Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Canley (talk · give credit) and JackofOz (talk · give credit)
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Happily888 (talk) 09:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Article is too short and unsourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 09:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article is a stub, needs more expansion. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:11, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Linda Deutsch
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:7969:2ABE:E6E3:A515 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Connormah (talk · give credit), ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit) and Alansohn (talk · give credit)
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240F:7A:6253:1:7969:2ABE:E6E3:A515 (talk) 02:58, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support.
A "needs update" tag has to be resolved first but apart from that, the article seems okay to me.Full support as the issue is resolved. Cheers. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 07:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)- Resolved. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support The period between 1967 and 2014 is no longer misremembered as 50 years; seems OK now. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:11, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 19:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Hvaldimir
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Famous Russian spy in Norwegian waters Abcmaxx (talk) 06:04, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Cleaned it up by creating a new article for the sole red link in the Hvaldimir article. I think this looks ready to post now. Flyingfishee (talk) 16:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is in good quality and well-sourced. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 02:02, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Sonny King
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Post Wrestling
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:CCE:9B6D:FAA4:665C (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and CeltBrowne (talk · give credit)
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American professional wrestler. 240F:7A:6253:1:CCE:9B6D:FAA4:665C (talk) 13:24, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait some cn tags needs to be resolved. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Stevie Cameron
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC, Toronto Star
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:A178:C2E3:6140:3A54 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Abebenjoe (talk · give credit) and Wellington Bay (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Canadian journalist and author. 240F:7A:6253:1:A178:C2E3:6140:3A54 (talk) 08:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Many sections are unsourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 10:19, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose multiple cn tags and Awards section needs sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Obi Ndefo
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8], [9]
Credits:
- Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Discospinster (talk · give credit) and Nighthawk189 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Happily888 (talk) 01:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Article is a stub. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:01, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose just around 175 or so word long prose. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Kamchatka Mil Mi-8 crash
[edit]Blurb: In Russia, 22 people die after a Mil Mi-8 (pictured) crashes in Kamchatka. (Post)
Alternative blurb: A Mil Mi-8 helicopter crashes in Kamchatka, Russia, leaving 22 people dead.
News source(s): BBC - Moscow Times - Euromaidan Press
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Ivebeenhacked (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit), Aviationwikiflight (talk · give credit), SignorPignolini (talk · give credit), 72.131.35.93 (talk · give credit) and Air Astana 1388 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: 22 people are dead after a tour helicopter crashed over a volcano in Kamchatka, Russia. The article is largely okay, disregarding the fact that it may need expansion. — Knightoftheswords 15:31, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support, notable recent accident with fatalities and property loss. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 18:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Support on notability, Oppose on quality. While its notable due to the high number of fatalities, the article is still tagged as a stub and more information is needed if possible.
Changing to full Support. Article is now in a decent shape. Cheers. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 20:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability due to the number of fatalities, but oppose on quality as the article is a stub. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Gödel2200 & @Midori No Sora. Article is no longer a stub. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 09:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support: The article isn't great but it should probably get posted anyways. C F A 💬 13:30, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support – As it stands now, the article has been sufficiently developed for the quality to be relatively satisfactory. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 09:43, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Added altblurb, I also think the image is superfluous regardless of blurb. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks good at a glance, and the event is noteworthy. Scu ba (talk) 15:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in a good shape and death toll is significant enough. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Given that news will continue to develop on this story as warranted, article is in decent shape--generally consistent with information and structure from a standard Wikipedia airplane crash article. --Pats2017 (talk) 00:35, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Seems good enough. Tradediatalk 03:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support A single helicopter crash killing 20+ is just barely notable enough to me, and the article's in good shape. The Kip (contribs) 06:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- article is in good shape; borderline perhaps for significance but to me on the right side of that line. UndercoverClassicist T·C 21:09, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: is this postable? Natg 19 (talk) 22:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. SpencerT•C 01:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Sol Bamba
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:
- Nominated by Haris920 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Former Soccer Player/Coach Haris920 (talk) 23:55, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support, GA so should be good to post. mwwv converse∫edits 01:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above 27.96.223.192 (talk) 07:35, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support as per mwwv. Oltrepier (talk) 10:34, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support - article is in a great condition Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 10:46, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support - I did a run through. The article was promoted to GA in 2018 but the promoting user is less active since then, so some things were outdated. The article definitely slows down on detail suddenly after 2018 but that's a nitpick for GA standards, not ITN standards. Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Posted to RD. – robertsky (talk) 14:29, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Fatman Scoop
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard, NBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:344E:215E:92:A3B3 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Pragnell1957 (talk · give credit), Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit) and Laterthanyouthink (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American rapper. 240F:7A:6253:1:344E:215E:92:A3B3 (talk) 16:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready article has a lot of CN tags, also cause of death isn't known yet Scu ba (talk) 16:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Needs work per Ad Orientem. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:37, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Discography and awards sections need more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 14:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) X blocked in Brazil
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: X is blocked in Brazil. (Post)
Alternative blurb: X is blocked in Brazil amidst an investigation ruled by Supreme Federal Court.
Alternative blurb II: X is blocked in Brazil after Elon Musk refuses to comply with a court order issued by the Supreme Federal Court.
News source(s): The New York Times AP News
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
- Oppose I've been watching this one, and this is more about Musk refusing to comply with a judge that is upholding Brazilian law regarding social media and misinformation. Its basically more a situation of his own choosing rather than some new massive draconian measure (like when Turkey did it some years back), and as such, while its in the news, its not the type of story we should be posting because the situation was entirely avoidable (Musk just had to give the court a legal representative to deal with the case, he refused). --Masem (t) 12:12, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- "… upholding Brazilian law…" LOL! ArionStar (talk) 12:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the original order back in 2020 was due to specific accounts that were ordered blocked due to misinformation including threats to the judiciary. Brazil doesn't have as wide open a free speech policy as the US, so while controversial they were still reasonable under that. Masem (t) 12:37, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Brazil has reasonable free speech - I don't think comparing it to somewhere as backwards as the United States, where free speech is out of control and protects hate speech, is useful. Nfitz (talk) 22:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the original order back in 2020 was due to specific accounts that were ordered blocked due to misinformation including threats to the judiciary. Brazil doesn't have as wide open a free speech policy as the US, so while controversial they were still reasonable under that. Masem (t) 12:37, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- "… upholding Brazilian law…" LOL! ArionStar (talk) 12:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is complete nonsense and entirely of Musk's making. This has literally nothing to do with "free speech" and everything to do with Musk's refusal to comply with a basic court order issued by the independent judiciary to appoint a legal representative in Brazil. AusLondonder (talk) 12:45, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- WP:POV, irrespective of the motives/arguments this is a pretty big decision PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This just another case of Musk throwing a tantrum. Also failure to appoint a legal representative is not censorship nor anything to do with a democratic deficit. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Musk being Musk. Skyshiftertalk 13:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- This was a decision of Brazil's supreme court, can't really be entirely attributed to "just Elon drama", this is a major ruling PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Given it's a case of "Brazil makes a legal request, Musk ignores the legal request instead of engaging like any reasonable person would and Brazil escalates in response", it really is just Elon drama. --2001:8003:1C20:8C00:A599:8FED:E2E0:7A4A (talk) 10:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- This was a decision of Brazil's supreme court, can't really be entirely attributed to "just Elon drama", this is a major ruling PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. The discussion above provides a perfect example of editors using their own personal opinions and biases instead of relying on coverage by WP:RS. Whatever we think about Musk as an individual is completely irrelevant, or at least it should be. Even if one accepts that Musk is 100% at fault in this episode, the result is that X is blocked in Brazil, an event that is covered as a top story by pretty much every news outlet in the world and which affects the seventh most populous country in the world. Nsk92 (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- We are not a newspaper and simply don't follow what is published in headlines. ITN is supposed to feature quality articles that happen to be in the news, not to be where we are reporting on news, and that's why simply being a highly published story is not sufficient for being in ITN. Besides this being an issue with Musk being Musk, which has become routine news, we do not have any good article target here that discusses the entire matter (starting with the original court order to block certain accounts). — Masem (t) 15:07, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral point of view is policy, and the blurb is total clickbait. RAN1 (talk) 15:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Nsk92: when I initially opposed the nomination the target article was Censorship of Twitter at the time of my comment, which was a highly biased target to nominate and my argument was that this issue is not to do with censorship but more so to do with the failure to adhere to a court ruling; this was also the basis of other editors' arguments and reasonings to oppose too. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose just the Brazilian government throwing a tantrum. Scu ba (talk) 15:29, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, but a lot of things can be viewed as just "governments throwing a tantrum", doesn't affect notability. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Agree with @Nsk92, major court ruling with wide implications for a democratic state to ban one of the largest online social media platforms over the speech hosted. All over the news PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:31, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Its banned because Musk refused to provide legal representation to the court, not because the state wanted to block X completely. If we're talking about the free speech implications, that should have been the story when the court first ordered social media there to block specific accounts, several months ago. Masem (t) 15:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Not voting either way at the moment, but the comments here about this being simply a dispute with Musk seem to miss the mark. This situation IS largely of Musk's doing, but that doesn't mean the impacts are not relevant to post here. That's similar to saying that a war between two countries wouldn't be ITN material if it had grown out of a private dispute between the leaders of two countries. Whether or not it's "censorship" really shouldn't matter much. This discussion should be about if we believe X being blocked is noteworthy enough to post. DarkSide830 (talk) 15:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Weak Oppose purely on article quality. The newly created article is only barely more than a stub.However, and whatever our opinions of the case, it's potential to impact the debate over free speech and the regulatory power of the state is both obvious and highly significant. Support on merits. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:45, 31 August 2024 (UTC)- @Ad Orientem the article has been improved since then. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @RodRabelo7 Thanks for the ping. Moved to support. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem the article has been improved since then. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support on merits. Regardless of who did what, or whether the situation was avoidable, Xitter being blocked in one of the world's largest countries is definitely notable. However, the blurb is a bit short, and linking to Censorship in Brazil instead of Brazil is a MOS:EASTEREGG that should ideally be avoided. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Support/Wait Didn't something happen in Turkey a few weeks ago where an Instagram ban was instituted but reverted a few days later? I'm wondering if this is going to be a similar situation and will be walked back in the next day or two. I'd err on waiting to post, at least until Monday. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: a page has been created about the case. Erick Soares3 (talk) 17:13, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The block occurred due to a lack of response to the request to appoint a representative in the country, and not due to censorship per se. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 17:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- @A.WagnerC and...? An ITT doesn't need to be an act of censorship. RodRabelo7 (talk) 03:01, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a stage for billionaires to throw tantrums ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 12:35, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @A.WagnerC and...? An ITT doesn't need to be an act of censorship. RodRabelo7 (talk) 03:01, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Oppose. Article is extremely stubby. Does not even mention A.Wagner's point above that the trigger for the block was X/Twitter's refusal to appoint a legal representative (nor does it mention X/Twitter's reasons for not complying).Also oppose "Brazil" linking to "Censorship in Brazil" - are we really going to parrot Musk's POV here? If we post this (once an up-to-standard, neutral article exists), let's have readers make up their own mind whether it's a censorship issue or not.- EDIT: moving to Weak Support following expansion of the article. Still disagree with linking to "Censorship of Twitter". Khuft (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Khuft the article has been improved since then. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- I mean the government demanding the removal of certain political and religious figures from the site is a pretty clear case of censorship. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- As I mentioned in another discussion, there are different conceptions on what constituted freedom of speech and hate speech. In Continental Europe (France, Germany) platforms are required to act against hate speech, and this is not considered censorship. I'm not really familiar with Brazilian conceptions of freedom of speech, but from what I gather from the article & the news, it seems to follow a similar concept of going against hate speech in the context of the invasion of the Brazilian Congress. Khuft (talk) 13:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per A.WagnerC. This happened because Musk failed to appoint a legal representative of Twitter in Brazil, which, to me, is not something we should post. Also, the article is not ready for the main page. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:48, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Help Can anyone help to improve the article? Alternative blurb added. ArionStar (talk) 17:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is way too short and underdeveloped for ITN Hungry403 (talk) 18:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- The article needs to be improved, it is very interesting for ITN. ArionStar (talk) 23:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- The article is in better shape now. ArionStar (talk) 01:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Hungry403 the article has been improved since then. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- The article needs to be improved, it is very interesting for ITN. ArionStar (talk) 23:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support. We should not evaluate the merit of the case as being merely a "tantrum" from Musk (much less from Brazil, shame on whoever said that), nor should we consider it as a case of censorship, which it clearly is not. The fact is that the event received extensive coverage worldwide. The New York Times and the Associated Press even used a breaking news alert to report it. Furthermore, it is a watershed moment, as it involves a democratic nation blocking a social network after it disobeyed legal orders, and Brazil represents a significant portion of Twitter's total user base. RodRabelo7 (talk) 02:03, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- How many times has Musk caused a problem with a government? I’m not certain but this definitely isn’t the first time and I dont believe we posted the other ones. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 08:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- This is a blocking affecting one the largest X markets. Period. ArionStar (talk) 14:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don’t believe any blocking of any social media platform in only certain countries is ITN worthy, if it was a worldwide ban that would be different. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 09:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- This is a blocking affecting one the largest X markets. Period. ArionStar (talk) 14:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- How many times has Musk caused a problem with a government? I’m not certain but this definitely isn’t the first time and I dont believe we posted the other ones. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 08:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose not something blurbworthy IMO. If we didn't posted the news of the arrest of the founder of two popular social media sites then we should not post news about closure of a social media platform in a single country. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 14:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @PrinceofPunjab: which arrest? ArionStar (talk) 14:47, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @ArionStar I am talking about this one. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 15:14, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not a random country. A major democracy and one of the largest Twitter markets. RodRabelo7 (talk) 16:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @ArionStar I am talking about this one. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 15:14, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @PrinceofPunjab: which arrest? ArionStar (talk) 14:47, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support – Widespread coverage, one of the most popular websites in Brazil blocked by its Supreme Court which is unusual for the country. For the editors saying this is just a "tantrum" for Musk... it's a judicial/political decision made by Brazil in response to Musk, not just Musk shitposting on X. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ready? ArionStar (talk) 17:58, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- There's not even remotely a consensus to post, so no. The Kip (contribs) 20:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This may well happen in a number of other countries if Musk carries on taking X down the rabbit hole of supporting some seriously unpleasant stuff. And we can't really post every time Musk has a tantrum, or the whole of ITN would be full of it. Black Kite (talk) 18:06, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- We can't predict that this
may well happen in a number of other countries if Musk carries on
and this sort of prediction shouldn't affect the notability of Brazil's current ban. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 18:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)- No, we can't, but what happens if we post this and then Musk does something so egregious that other countries follow suit? We'd have a problem. But regardless, I don't think this rises to the level of ITN anyway. Black Kite (talk) 18:52, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- The blocking is still ongoing and I imagine there will be millions in money losses in the coming days. ArionStar (talk) 19:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see that X is losing a significant amount of money immediately here; I suppose some losses are possible if Brazilian advertisers withdraw from the platform (or possibly companies who do a large amount of their business in Brazil). Nevertheless, this is what happens when the owner of a company believes it is above the law. Black Kite (talk) 20:30, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- The blocking is still ongoing and I imagine there will be millions in money losses in the coming days. ArionStar (talk) 19:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- No, we can't, but what happens if we post this and then Musk does something so egregious that other countries follow suit? We'd have a problem. But regardless, I don't think this rises to the level of ITN anyway. Black Kite (talk) 18:52, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- We can't predict that this
- Oppose per Masem. Not very interesting in my opinion. C F A 💬 20:01, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Per most of the above. It's not really worth mentioning in my opinion. This has nothing to do with censorship as Brazil blocked the site in response to Musk failing to obey a simple court order. If the arrest of Pavel Durov or another, Montana blocking TikTok wasn't posted on the ITN, a social media site that just got blocked in a single country shouldn't be posted either. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 20:51, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support - big story with huge ramifications. I'm not sure why it's being compared to a sub-national jurisdiction like Montana, which has no ability to enforce a ban. Or authoritarian countries like Turkey. Brazil is one of the largest democracies in the world. And this has significant coverage. Think about it - if this ban was by the US Supreme Court, would those that oppose, still oppose it? Nfitz (talk) 22:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly! Brazil's Supreme Court < US Supreme Court? ArionStar (talk) 06:22, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would still oppose if it was a decision by the US Supreme Court. Does not seem particularly significant. Should it really go into the column on top of "More than four hundred people are killed in an Islamist militant attack in Barsalogho Department, Burkina Faso."? Belongs to DYK. C F A 💬 13:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support as highly notable event about social media in large market; the WP:POV or WP:CRYSTAL arguments such as this being Musk's own doing or that further blocks in other countries may occur in future are irrelevent in regards to the significance and notability of this case. Happily888 (talk) 01:51, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
OpposeComment When Wikipedia was entirely blocked in Turkey over the content in a single article on the English Wikipedia, the nomination was dismissed due to navel-gazing and lack of significance even though it was a clear instance of censorship. Now we have a block of another very popular website in another large country due to lack of legal compliance. The story additionally entails some non-democratic measures that harshly violate digital freedom, such as fining people who access X and removing VPN apps for download, but the nomination is not about Internet censorship in Brazil. This is sheer navel-gazing on X and Elon Musk.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:08, 2 September 2024 (UTC)- There's a huge difference between an autocracy and one of the world's biggest democracies. That said, if that was a mistake (perhaps link the discussion?), that shouldn't effect this discussion. Nfitz (talk) 08:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- That makes sense, but this nomination's goal is not to highlight democratic backsliding in a democratic country, which is probably what posting this blurb would convey as a message to our readers. Internet censorship is a very sensitive topic, so it's very unclear to me whether we should post such blurbs at all. I revoked my oppose votes and transformed it into an ordinary comment because it mostly draws a parallel to a similar instance from the past.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- There's a huge difference between an autocracy and one of the world's biggest democracies. That said, if that was a mistake (perhaps link the discussion?), that shouldn't effect this discussion. Nfitz (talk) 08:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Moving to support. This move directly impacts about 20 million people within Brazil alone, likely more depending on how many people you believe are impacted that do not have Twitter accounts, and presumably people outside of Brazil that interact with these accounts. Businesses and nonprofits use it for outreach, advertising, and fundraising. Politicians use it to interact with their constituents. The NFL coming this week is also a big deal here, and most importantly the suddenness of all of it for users is a problem. I think at this point it's really hard to downplay the impacts here. DarkSide830 (talk) 15:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Use of Twitter is a privilege, not a right. It would be a different story if the court ordered the whole Internet in Brazil to be shuttered, now you have an actual measurable impact. Instead, we have one of many social media platforms blocked, with other alternatives available. Masem (t) 15:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Use of Twitter is a privilege, not a right.
and if you bend over backwards even further, everything except food and shelter would also just be a privilege and not a right. This is the judiciary of a democratic country banning access to a major social media platform for 200 million people over a fundamental disagreement about free speech. This is a significant precedent and is massive from a historical perspective. spintheer (talk) 23:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)- If we are talking free speech rights and govt censorship, then the true issue was back in 2923 when the court ordered social media companies to block accounts that were threatening violence against the court. Though some may argue that given the extremist nature if these accounts and the more restrictive freedoms if spee g in Brazil compared to the US, that this was also a reasonable step. Either way, that is a form of govt censorship, whether it benefits the public good a question beyond this scope. These events now are not censorship, they are putting a company to a penalty for failing to comply with a court order. Whole the impact is that millions of Bra, ilians cannot use Twitter now, theyir voices aren't silenced, they have options like Threads and Bluesky (both reporting massive surges in the wake of this) so that is not a free speech or censorship issue. This is truly just a situation of Musk's own making, given how simple the remedy was (to name a legal Rep for the litigation), and shows him trying to make moves outside normal practice. Which is not really newsworthy, it's only capturing the attention due to how much weight Musk carries in news coverage. — Masem (t) 13:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- The MP is not an appropriate place to defend positions. And there are still other social media. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 23:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Use of Twitter is a privilege, not a right. It would be a different story if the court ordered the whole Internet in Brazil to be shuttered, now you have an actual measurable impact. Instead, we have one of many social media platforms blocked, with other alternatives available. Masem (t) 15:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Endorse posting: Brazil is a country of ~200 million people, 7th highest, about equal to the UK, France, and Italy combined. Xitter, a cursory Web search informs me, is one of the top 25 or so most-visited websites, this side of the Great Firewall. (Different places give varying figures) Anyone want to take the other side of a bet that if UK France and Italy's govts all imposed national blocks of, say, Netflix or microsoft.com, that it wouldn't make its way onto ITN? (Whatever happened to the complaints of ITN being too US/UK-centric?)
--Slowking Man (talk) 17:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news.
- To showcase quality Wikipedia content on current events.
- To point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them.
- To emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource.
— WP:ITNPURPOSE
- Trial by media? Excuse me! Judges of the Supreme Federal Court already agreed with the blocking. Media has nothing to do with this. 2804:14D:5C32:4673:67B2:6266:BC34:87D6 (talk) 12:37, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- The block is part of the ongoing investigation due to Musk's non-cooperation. Until the issue is ultimately tried in a court of law and X Corp is found guilty which leads to a permanent block of Twitter, I see no reason to blurb on this as if it's permanent. I feel neither blurbs correctly reflects on this matter. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 13:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Musk found guilty in Brazil? 😂 ArionStar (talk) 21:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- The block is part of the ongoing investigation due to Musk's non-cooperation. Until the issue is ultimately tried in a court of law and X Corp is found guilty which leads to a permanent block of Twitter, I see no reason to blurb on this as if it's permanent. I feel neither blurbs correctly reflects on this matter. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 13:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- The ALT2 blurb is the best one. ArionStar (talk) 18:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Nomination closed too quickly, IMO. ArionStar (talk) 12:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I agree, I don't think it should've been closed at all tbh. If you include weak supports then this nomination actually has more supports (14) than opposes (13). What's weird is that this same admin did something similar just last week. Flyingfishee (talk) 13:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's days old and it wasn't going to get posted. AusLondonder (talk) 13:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- The current ITN blurb isn't even on the nomination page anymore (which means it's more than a week old). There was no rush to close this. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wrong. The blocking occurred on 31 August, after the Paralympics opening ceremony. Please, reopen it. ArionStar (talk) 15:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- The current ITN blurb isn't even on the nomination page anymore (which means it's more than a week old). There was no rush to close this. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- A 14–13 vote count is a clear no consensus/consensus against posting to me. This is a good closure, as it is doubtful to get posted. Natg 19 (talk) 17:15, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- The request has been open since August 31, and there is clearly no consensus. Correct closure. A.WagnerC(alt) (talk) 18:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- So you think a 14–13 vote count is an indication of consensus? C F A 💬 19:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Consensus is not determined by vote tally alone. Even if it was the only factor, 14-13 is hardly an established consensus. The post is six days old and has had numerous arguments in support and opposition. If consensus hasn't developed by now, it's unlikely to. Pats2017 (talk) 00:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- This was closed barely a day after the 2nd alt-blurb was added, meaning that the vast majority of editors didn't have didn't have time to consider it. Also the stale stuff comes off weird considering how often posted stuff remains on the main page for far longer than a week. Flyingfishee (talk) 08:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- That's simply not how consensus works. If people's opposition was based on the wording of the blurb, they had every right to voice that concern during their opposition - or in fact, to recommend an alternative blurb themselves. Anyone !voting to oppose who did not condition their opposition on the current blurb proposed cannot be assumed to be in favor of another blurb. Especially since ITN is known for people conditioning their opinions based on the potential for alternatives. There is a clear consensus that its not notable nor final enough at this time to post. Consensus to post will not magically appear out of nowhere just based on an alternative blurb. For the record, I would've opposed this being an ITN blurb with any wording. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 09:07, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posting an alt-blurb doesn't mean the clock restarts on consideration. Also, current posted ITN items may be older, but those items all garnered consensus to post within a few days of their proposal, if not sooner. This item has been here for almost a week now. The lack of consensus to post has been consistent through the life of its candidacy and its multiple alt-blurbs. Pats2017 (talk) 01:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's days old and it wasn't going to get posted. AusLondonder (talk) 13:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I agree, I don't think it should've been closed at all tbh. If you include weak supports then this nomination actually has more supports (14) than opposes (13). What's weird is that this same admin did something similar just last week. Flyingfishee (talk) 13:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Almost 50/50 support/oppose, seems like a textbook no consensus to me. The Kip (contribs) 09:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've initiated a community review of this close at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Close review: X blocked in Brazil. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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