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Wiki Education assignment: HUM 202 - Introduction to Mythology
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[edit]For several reasons, we shouldn't keep that Dares Phrygius content.
- It's very late; we might as well include medieval descriptions.
- We've no reason to think it epitomic; it deviates massively from Homer and classical versions of the Troy epic, excising gods and reducing the Trojan Horse to a gate motif.
- Frazer's translation dignifies it; the actual Latin text 12–13 is curt, a series of keywords with no sentences or even verbs (the whole passage is like an ancient draft of a table of characteristics of Trojan and Greek characters - the author would have loved infoboxes) which even Cornil's plainer translation gussies up: "Achilles had a large chest, a charming mouth, large, powerful limbs and long manes of curly hair. He was gentle, fierce in battle and generous. He had a cheerful face and chestnut hair."[1]
- The happenstance of its survival doesn't require inclusion; as WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE says, "merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia".
- By including it, however much we qualify it as later and falsely attributed, we give readers a false impression of its standing; why would Wikipedia include it if it wasn't authoritative?
Pinging @Piccco and @Becarefulbro, hopefully as a courtesy and not a nuisance. NebY (talk) 14:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Jonathan Cornil, Dares Phrygius' de excidio Trojae historia: philological commentary and translation, page 79. 2011–2012, Universiteit Gent.
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