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For several reasons, we shouldn't keep that Dares Phrygius content.

It's very late; we might as well include medieval descriptions.

We've no reason to think it epitomic; it deviates massively from Homer and classical versions of the Troy epic, excising gods and reducing the Trojan Horse to a gate motif.

Frazer's translation dignifies it; the actual Latin text 12–13 is curt, a series of keywords with no sentences or even verbs (the whole passage is like an ancient draft of a table of characteristics of Trojan and Greek characters - the author would have loved infoboxes) which even Cornil's plainer translation gussies up: "Achilles had a large chest, a charming mouth, large, powerful limbs and long manes of curly hair. He was gentle, fierce in battle and generous. He had a cheerful face and chestnut hair."^[1]

The happenstance of its survival doesn't require inclusion; as WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE says, "merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia".

By including it, however much we qualify it as later and falsely attributed, we give readers a false impression of its standing; why would Wikipedia include it if it wasn't authoritative?

Pinging @Piccco and @Becarefulbro, hopefully as a courtesy and not a nuisance. NebY (talk) 14:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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^ Jonathan Cornil, Dares Phrygius' de excidio Trojae historia: philological commentary and translation, page 79. 2011–2012, Universiteit Gent.

[1] Jonathan Cornil, Dares Phrygius' de excidio Trojae historia: philological commentary and translation, page 79. 2011–2012, Universiteit Gent.

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