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Zainul Abideen[edit]

I would seriously suggest moving this to Zainul Abideen—that's the way he's usually referred to. The precedent for this is Hasan al-Askari, who is listed by the name he's usually referred to, and not his "accurate" or given name, Hasan ibn Ali ibn Muhammad. Creating a redirect, anyway.—iFaqeer | Talk to me! 23:57, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)

Created Zain al-Abideen, Zain al-Abidin, and Zainul Abideen as redirects.—iFaqeer | Talk to me! 00:00, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)

Moved to Zayn al-‘Ābidīn Park3r (talk) 02:44, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is wrong! Zayn al abidin is not his name! It is his title. He also has another title called as-Sajjad. Please move this entry back to his original name. His name is Ali ibn al-Hussain Zayn al-Abidin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xareen (talk • contribs) 11:27, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
 Moved page to Ali ibn al-Hussain without any tiltle as His tiltles vary in geopgraphies (unlike Hasan al Askari who is universally known as Askari).--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 13:40, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for fixing the page. Like I said before, Ali ibn al-Hussain has a few titles to his name, such as, Zayn al-Abidin and also as-Sajjad. But we shouldn't remove his first name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xareen (talk • contribs) 17:58, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I kept His name and Qunnaya and didn't included any title because title vary in geographies as as-Sajjad (meaning one who prostrates) is also rfered as Sayyed us-Sajedeen (Leader of one who prostrate). So, its better to exclude the tiltle from the name.--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 07:21, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be called Ali al-Sajjid--88.111.129.157 (talk) 19:44, 17 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV[edit]

The phrase evil minded banu ummayya makes me believe this article has not been written by a neutral point of view —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asifshiraz (talk • contribs) 18:16, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

grandson?[edit]

How is he the grandson of Muhammad if his mother was not Fatima? Is there a blood line between him and the prophet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.208.125.185 (talk) 16:20, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

he is the great grandson, not the grandson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.30.58.151 (talk) 00:51, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

resolving NPOV[edit]

I got rid of the phrase "evil-minded". Since I do not see any other NPOV related concern, I will have the tag removed unless there is any other concern. Please, be bold (Wiki recommends!) and join in this discussion if you see anything NPOV related. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kazemita1 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox[edit]

Why do we have this label on his bio page 

{{infobox Imams |image

Can we fix this? His biodata should not be in the bullet form format. Xareen (talk) 11:41, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is fixed now. So that is what it was. Thanks. Xareen (talk) 17:54, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed the infobox, '}}' was missing.--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 07:11, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Image[edit]

I recently uploaded File:Zayn al'-'Abidin - Ramayana of Valmiki, vol. 2, folio 236, recto - Google Art Project.jpg which is attributed to Zayn al-'Abidin. I'm not sure if it's the same person, but if it is please feel free to use it. Dcoetzee 21:09, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Objectivity??[edit]

This entry reads as though it were written by Islamic scholars. It should be removed until it is done in a more academic mode. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF99:1470:C497:54:3219:D752 (talk) 02:01, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Improving the Article[edit]

Hi. I am going to help improve this article due the following problems labeled at the top of the article page:

  • This article's factual accuracy is disputed. (October 2013)
  • This article contains wording that promotes the subject in a subjective manner without imparting real information. (October 2013)
  • This article contains weasel words: vague phrasing that often accompanies biased or unverifiable information. (October 2013)

Doing so I will have to modify or delete some disputed information. Hadi.anani (talk) 11:59, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

-The article do not have the mentioned problems any longer so I am going to remove the label from the top of the article.Hadi.anani (talk) 11:41, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Removed text[edit]

Per WP:COATRACK:

As for Ali al-Ridha, the eighth Shiite Imam, when he was appointed a successor to Al-Ma'mun, a Sufi objected him: "The Imam should eat rough food and wear coarse garments." The Imam refuted his view, saying: "Yousif b. Ya‘qub was a prophet; nevertheless he wore silk-like garments embroidered with gold. Allah did not prohibit clothing nor did he prohibit food. However, He wanted the Imām to be fair and just." Then he recited these verse: Say: Who has forbidden the adornment which He has brought forth for His creatures.[a][1][2]

Repeated text:

Ali ibn Husayn was the only son of Hussein ibn Ali who survived the Battle of Karbala in 680 when he was twenty three years old.[3] For, he could not take part in the battle due to his illness, and was thus saved from the general massacre. Once again when he was led as a prisoner before Ubayd Allah ibn Ziyad in Kufa, the latter ordered his execution but left him alive at the entreaty of his aunt, Zaynab.[4][5][6]

References

  1. ^ Abu Ja'far Muhammad ibn Ali ibn Hussein ibn Musa ibn Babawayh al-Qummi Known as (Sheikh Sadooq). UYUN AKHBAR AL-REZA The Source of Traditions on Imam Reza. Qom: Ansariyan Publications.
  2. ^ Sharif al-Qarashi 2000, p. 331
  3. ^ Cite error: The named reference Donaldson was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. ^ Cite error: The named reference Madelung was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  5. ^ Hoseini-e Jalali, Mohammad-Reza (1382). Jehad al-Imam al-Sajjad (in Persian). Translated by Musa Danesh. Iran, Mashhad: Razavi, Printing & Publishing Institute. pp. 214–217.
  6. ^ jafri 1979, p. 213
Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:57, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Minor improvements[edit]

I'd like to make small edits to this article, e.g., I spotted "Zany" instead of "Zayn" and small gammar typos. Albertatiran (talk) 08:34, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of "The Consistently Prostrating", I think we can borrow the argubly more appropriate "[one who is] constantly prostrating in worship" from Madelung's article. Albertatiran (talk) 11:48, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Albertatiran: yes, 'the one who is constantly prostrating in worship' is a lot clearer to people who don't know Arabic.
One important note though: when "ibn" (Arabic: بن) occurs in the middle of a name, it is transliterated in lower case (Ali ibn Abi Talib, Hasan ibn Ali, etc.), but when it is the first word in a name (Arabic: إبن), as in Ibn Sa'd, Ibn Qutaybah, Ibn Khaldun, etc., it is spelled in upper case: "Ibn". In your recent edits you changed it a number of times from "Ibn" to "ibn" where it should be "Ibn". Could you please undo this? Thanks! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 19:19, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Apaugasma: Sure, will do that (I hope) before next Monday. To avoid these kind of errors in the future, I wonder if this information about style is compiled somewhere on Wikipedia or elsewhere. Albertatiran (talk) 19:24, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There's the abortive WP:MOSAR, which was a proposal for the Manual of Style that was never actually voted in and now lies dormant. You're absolutely right that we should have an active page for this kind of stuff, but alas, it appears that there are just not enough active editors to make it work. I'm watching WP:MOSAR, so if any activity should resume there, I probably will also participate. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 19:35, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Albertatiran (talk) 20:26, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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GOCE[edit]

The article was submitted to GOCE in preparation for GA nomination. Albertatiran (talk) 12:44, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy ping: Ghazaalch

Citation style note[edit]

Hi there, looking at this linked from GOCE. I feel it would reduce clutter a lot to merge the citations into single ref tags, eg

They were treated poorly along the way.{{Sfn|Qutbuddin|2019|p=107}}{{Sfn|Hamdar|2009|pp=86, 93}}{{Sfn|Hyder|2006|p=46}}

could be

They were treated poorly along the way.<ref>{{harvnb|Qutbuddin|2019|p=107}}, {{harvnb|Hamdar|2009|pp=86, 93}}, {{harvnb|Hyder|2006|p=46}}</ref>

giving:

They were treated poorly along the way.[1]

rather than

They were treated poorly along the way.[2][3][4]

Jim Killock (talk) 20:13, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JimKillock Thanks for the input. I think this is to some degree a matter of personal taste. One advantage of sfn over alternatives is significantly fewer footnotes without any repetitions. It's a fairly popular template on Wikipedia. Albertatiran (talk) 09:35, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you should use SFN when i is single sources I agree. However, you can reduce clutter on the page as it is being read by using harvnb where you have 2, 3, or more citations listed together. This is just a suggestion as you have some places where the footnotes in the text get a bit overwhelming, eg "Mukhtar's revolt" or "Character". Jim Killock (talk) 10:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JimKillock I appreciate the suggestion but the article doesn't look particularly cluttered to me personally. It's also perfectly fine with me if you find the time to change the citation style... Albertatiran (talk) 02:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can still use sfn for bundles, just with {{sfnm}}. Aza24 (talk) 07:00, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Aza24 and JimKillock: Very useful tip. It's on my to-do list for this article. Albertatiran (talk) 13:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
exellent, thank you @Aza24 Jim Killock (talk) 18:02, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy ping: Albertatiran

References

  1. ^ Qutbuddin 2019, p. 107, Hamdar 2009, pp. 86, 93, Hyder 2006, p. 46
  2. ^ Qutbuddin 2019, p. 107.
  3. ^ Hamdar 2009, pp. 86, 93.
  4. ^ Hyder 2006, p. 46.


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