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Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2017

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Please change "Adelaide University Union SRC (AUU SRC)" under the section, "Union affiliation", to "University of Adelaide Student Representative Council". The Adelaide University Union and University of Adelaide Student Representative Council are different incorporated associations and don't share any part of their names. Thanks BeeJS (talk) 07:00, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ^BE _CK ^Y _SA ^{Y L}E _S 03:43, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Please change the former Officebearers to the new Officebearers seen below: Bruzzz10 (talk) 12:14, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 13:37, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Factions section

@Salvationichor, I've reverted your reinsertion of the material you added to the factions section. Those source provided in support of the material aren't reliable for the claims being made. Per WP:ONUS you need to obtain consensus prior to re-inserting the same or similar content. Please discuss. Regards, TarnishedPath^talk 10:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, as per WP:RSSM student papers can be considered a reliable source if the subject matter is relevant to schools / their community. As the NUS is a student-led organisation, I believe that information reported by student media can be considered reliable, particularly when it comes to reporting on criticisms made by students of the NUS. Could you please explain why you believe that student media is not a reliable source for reporting on these criticisms? Newspapers like Honi Soit and Pelican

The articles by student media that I cited, were already cited within the factions section, I simply added extra information and removed information that I could not find reported elsewhere.

If your issue is my addition to the mention of vote binding, I would appreciate an explanation on why you haven't edited the section on NLS within the Factions section which currently lacks citations and currently includes the claim that the faction binds votes.

Would love to have some clarification on the issues you see so that we can come to a mutual understanding. Salvationichor (talk) 14:16, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1) WP:RSSM says "Reputable student media outlets, such as The Harvard Crimson, are considered generally reliable sources for news on their school and local community". These outlets are not Harvard Crimson and are not automatically considered reliable. See Talk:National_Union_of_Students_(Australia)/Archive_1#Return_of_factions_section_and_addition_of_new_section_on_organisational_crisis where there was some discussion on Honi Soit. I went to ANU so I personally know that Woroni (one of the sources you were adding) is a not reliable. In fact I've just noticed Woroni is still used in the article, added by editors prior to you, and should probably be removed. The Pelican peice is an opinion peice, only good for determining the opinions of those quoted and of the author. In generally student newspapers are as bad as or worse than tabloids. Full or gossip, inuendo and SFA fact checking. Refer to WP:RSOPINION. We don't build encyclopaedias on the basis of opinion pieces, where there is no reason to giving some weight to those specific opinions.

2) Being a reliable sources for news on their school and local community, where a paper can be considered as such and here that isn't given, does not extend to being reliable about things external to those schools and local communities, i.e. NUS.

3) Please don't ask me to WP:SATISFY you and edit the entire article for consistency. I have limited time, as I expect you do. We all do the amounts we are prepared to do on a voluntary basis. Bottom line, as far as I could tell only one reference in the new material you added, had anything on binding and that was only about Student Unity. Saying Student Unity binds is not the same as saying most factions bind.

Now if you want to dispute me saying these student newspapers are not reliable for the purposes that you were using them, you can raise it at WP:RS/N. Per WP:ONUS, you need to establish the reliability of the references where they are in question. TarnishedPath^talk 23:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]