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Ask for edit protection[edit]

There's a dispute on his title. I think this article needs protection before the edit war starts. P. Pajouhesh (talk) 07:02, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Use of "legitimate" in first section[edit]

Pahlavi is described as the last Shah's oldest "legitimate" son. Is the last Shah known to have any illegitimate sons? (None are mentioned in the wiki article on him.) If not, then the word should be removed. MayerG (talk) 12:10, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MayerG No, it should be removed. Amir Ghandi (talk) 14:31, 17 January 2023 (UTC)@[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2023[edit]

Hello everyone. There is a mistake in the cited foreign honour title given by the Italian Republic back in 1974. The Knight Grand Cross with Collar was awarded both to then-Prince Reza and his uncle, as listed here[[1]]. The link in the Honours section of this page references the one for the uncle, so the link should be changed to https://www.quirinale.it/onorificenze/insigniti/35145 Trantorvega (talk) 19:52, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done USS Cola!rado🇺🇸 (C⭐T) 12:27, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2023[edit]

Update the number of signatures in "Support during the Mahsa Amini protests" section to the current number 460000 according to actual petition.

ps: this edit function won't allow for the link to actual petition, this link mentions it and gives a link to it https://jinsa.org/iran-revolution-maturing/ Mje007 (talk) 08:21, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done -Lemonaka‎ 08:59, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2023[edit]

Please add the category Category:Crown princes. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 21:07, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Lightoil (talk) 02:25, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unable to edit this article[edit]

I was going to add a wikilink to this article, but was prevented from doing so because it appears to be blocked from editing. Please fix this ridiculous situation! 173.88.246.138 (talk) 21:49, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We'll keep it protected because it's subject to frequent vandalism. What change do you wish to make? You'll notice that the three previous entries on this talk page are requests for edits to this protected article; you can do exactly the same. Or just tell us what you want wikilinked right here and it will get done. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 15:24, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 July 2024[edit]

Reza Pahlavi, Crown Prince of Iran → Reza Pahlavi – Per WP:NPOV and WP:NCROY JasonMacker (talk) 23:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


This title being used in this article's name is in violation of both WP:NPOV and WP:NCROY. He does not hold any official, legal title. This is because Iran's monarchy has been out of power for over 45 years. Muhammad bin Salman, an official crown prince who exerts power in his country, does not label him "Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia" in the article name. Neither does fa:رضا پهلوی, which has no issue disambiguating the three people whose full name contains "Reza Pahlavi". Both in English and in Persian, since the beginning of the 21st century, people who say "Reza Pahlavi" are unambiguously referring to the man born in 1960. His father is referred to as Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, and his grandfather is referred to as Reza Shah. WP:NCROY states the following: "Do not use hypothetical, dissolved or defunct titles, including pretenders (real or hypothetical), unless this is what the majority of English-language reliable sources use." Reza Pahlavi himself does not use this title. On his website's "about" page, it merely states that he was "officially named Crown Prince in 1967"[2]. In the news articles promoted on his website there is no consensus. The Persian language articles merely call him "Prince Reza Pahlavi", while the English language articles use phrases such as "last Shah's exiled son" or or "eldest son of the last Shah", while one CBC article does refer to him as an "exiled Crown Prince and son of the last Shah of Iran." Note that this is a curated list of news articles on his own webpage.

For these reasons, I propose:

1. This article's name is moved to Reza Pahlavi, removing the unnecessary disambiguation page.

2. References to "the Crown Prince" in this article should be replaced with appropriate pronouns or his actual name, unless it is a discussion of the title itself.

I've reviewed the previous move requests (from 2018 and earlier), and here's my responses to points raised in previous move requests:

Referring to him as Reza Pahlavi II is not commonly used in news sources. In fact, I've never seen him referred to as such, whether in English or Persian. As stated above, referring to "Reza Pahlavi" in the 21st century unambiguously references this article's subject. For this reason, I oppose any suggestion that this article should instead be moved to Reza Pahlavi II.

Reza Shah, aka Reza Shah Pahlavi, has been dead for over 80 years, and is currently not referred to as "Reza Pahlavi", whether in English or in Persian. Unlike Reza Pahlavi, Reza Shah was not born with the name "Reza Pahlavi", only for a brief period from 1919-1925 did he use the surname Pahlavi without also referring to himself as Shah. For this reason, there is no need to disambiguate "Reza Pahlavi" to distinguish between Reza Pahlavi and Reza Shah. The hatnote at the top of this article is sufficient. JasonMacker (talk) 23:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Leaning oppose, since Reza Shah has often been called Reza Pahlavi, and he has much greater historic importance and was the founder of the Pahlavi dynasty. The fact that he's been dead for 80 years does not diminish that notability. Please see the several previous RM discussions in 2015 and 2016. Perhaps the current article title should be changed – I'm not defending the current article title – but I don't think the suggested title is desirable. How about Reza Pahlavi (born 1960)? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 08:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per @BarrelProof with the difference being that I don't see anything wrong with the current title. The Iranian monarchy being a thing of the past does not change the fact that this individual was the last heir to it. We have similar pages like Alexander, Crown Prince of Yugoslavia and Pavlos, Crown Prince of Greece. Killuminator (talk) 12:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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