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Inclusion of civilian owners as operators?

This edit on Chieftain (tank) has me wondering what, if any, space should be devoted within articles to notable private owners of vehicles, like tanks, that are unusual for civilians to own. Does it make sense to count them as "operators" of the equipment? It seems absurd to me, but am I jumping to conclusions? Huntthetroll (talk) 04:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

That looks like spam to me. Whistlindiesel appears to be a person who makes stunt Youtube videos. I'm not sure you could have a blanket ban on civilian operators. For example, if a PMC or such operaterated vehicles, they could potentially be mentioned, in the same way as civilian contract operators of warplanes. But individuals owning vehicles in collections I think would be under survivors or preserved examples, as seen in some AFV articles. Monstrelet (talk) 09:21, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

No, companies yes, as in commercial, operators, and maybe where the item is of historical importance, but not just general kit. Slatersteven (talk) 10:05, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree that private civilian ownership of a tank or any other militaria is not notable. It also has nothing to do with the use or military history of the piece. I might make an exception for a sole surviving example, perhaps even two or three survivors, as Slatersteven's mention of an item of historical importance suggests. Perhaps not relevant, I would be surprised if any such examples of historical importance would be in private hands rather than in a museum or retained by the military. Donner60 (talk) 05:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

FAR: Middle Ages

I have nominated Middle Ages for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Borsoka (talk) 03:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Drone redirects

FYI, drone redirects are being discussed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 24 -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 02:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

German General involved in Lorković–Vokić plot?

a few weeks back i came across an article about a German General called Edmund Glaise-Horstenau, who according to his wikipedia page took part in the Lorković–Vokić plot, which was an attempt Croat dissidents to remove the Ustashe regime from power in Croatia. i added him to the list of conspirators on the plots page, but someone removed him from the list, which leads me to question whether said general was even involved in the coup.

can anyone verify his involvment? Bird244 (talk) 17:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Joe Rice

Joe Rice has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 20:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2024 Bolivian coup d'état attempt

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Bolivian coup d'état attempt that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 22:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2024 Bolivian coup d'état attempt#Requested move 26 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Bolivian coup d'état attempt#Requested move 26 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 03:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Jutish#Requested move 18 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Jutish#Requested move 18 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. PK2 (talk) 09:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Convoy HG 76

Five of the entries for U-boats [1] have notes that are centred and I can't left justify them; anyone know why? Thanks Keith-264 (talk) 09:48, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Keith-264 it's the use of {{No2}} in those rows. That template automatically centres the text. You're best removing it and manually styling the background, if that is needed. Nthep (talk) 10:22, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Ta. Keith-264 (talk) 10:25, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

I'd tried taking them out but didn't notice all of them. Sorted now. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 10:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:1987 Sharjawi coup d'état attempt#Requested move 27 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:1987 Sharjawi coup d'état attempt#Requested move 27 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 11:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Edwina Mountbatten, Countess Mountbatten of Burma#Requested move 28 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Edwina Mountbatten, Countess Mountbatten of Burma#Requested move 28 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 07:54, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Executions and assassinations in the West Bank and Jerusalem

I've got a a question about the rating criteria.

What does "supporting material" refer to?

• Supporting materials: criterion not met

What's missing? Or what needs improvement?

MWQs (talk) 13:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Tag me in replies please. MWQs (talk) 13:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

"Swarm Drone"

Swarm Drone (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) claims to be an India-only topic, and only a military topic. Seems, a bit odd, since drone swarms are vastly used in advertising and artistic displays across the world, and espionage and military swarm drones exist outside of India. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 04:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Marine Engineering News

The Marine Engineering News was first published in April 1879. Covers mostly UK shipping (including military), with some foreign. Useful for improving articles about ships of that era. I've added the first four volumes to WP:SHIPS/R#Country specific sources. More will be added later. Mjroots (talk) 09:43, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Anglo-Turkish War of 1918-1923

Found this while patrolling. I can't find references to an "Anglo-Turkish War" using basic google searches, which seems odd given the scale of this article and the large countries involved? I am also wary that this might be a WP:FORK of Turkish War of Independence, which is an article with neutrality issues. Therefore I bring it here for your consideration. thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Deccani–Vijayanagar wars

I would also appreciated any views on whether this should be a standalone article. thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:17, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Second Northern War#Requested move 23 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Second Northern War#Requested move 23 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Polyamorph (talk) 08:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Multiple new articles on Israeli-Palestinian conflict pushing "martyrdom" POV

hey all, I've noticed a bunch of new articles from MWQs that are full of synth and are extreme violations of WP:NPOV.

This one, that I nominated for deletion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Executions and assassinations in the West Bank and Jerusalem, pushes a martyrdom POV and contains Jesus and Eichmann and Jewish and Palestinian terrorists in the same list; it's language is like that: "An eye for an eye", "King of Martyrs", "he refused to commit sin unto the point of shedding blood", "The Martyr Abu Ali Mustafa", "prominent militant".

Other articles by this user are also problematic: The killing of the wife, daughter, and infant son of Mohammed Deif fails to mention the reason of the attack, and it reads like "IDF just attacked a random house of an innocent Deif". It can be notable, but it should at least be moved to "Deif family massacre" or something similar. It also has the same NPOV problem: "her previous husband was a martyred Qassami fighter", "high-ranking members of so called "terrorist" organisations".

Executions and assassinations during the Israel–Hamas war, Death of Mahmoud Eshtewi, Extrajudicial killings in the Gaza Strip can have the same problems.

Any comments from MWQs or military history experts? Artem.G (talk) 18:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

"Israeli-Palestinian conflict" is hardly NPOV. Keith-264 (talk) 18:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

it's right here Israeli–Palestinian conflict, how would you call it? Artem.G (talk) 19:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Something like the Smith regime or Apartheid South Africa. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 21:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Keith-264, I'm very confused, what do you mean? MWQs (talk) 06:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Commenting only to mention that @MWQs actually posted on this page several days earlier, asking for advice. Huntthetroll (talk) 17:30, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@Huntthetroll Thanks. MWQs (talk) 05:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Artem.G. You are welcome to add the "reasons for the attack" on "The killing of the wife, daughter, and infant son of Mohammed Deif" if you think it's missing? I thought it already mentioned that it was a failed assassination attempt? What is missing? I would appreciate other contributions to the page. The information about who Deif is is covered extensively elsewhere on wiki, but if you want to summarise it in the background section of that page then that would be very welcome. MWQs (talk) 05:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Artem.G if you prefer "Deif family massacre" it can be that? There is currently an open discussion on the talk page, please contribute. "2014 Deif family massacre" was actually a title I was using for it previously, but I changed it FROM that because I thought that title was too POV and the descriptive title was a more encyclopedic? But if I got that backwards, it can change back. MWQs (talk) 05:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Artem.G regarding Executions and assassinations in the West Bank and Jerusalem I found the history of executions in that region notable enough to start the page because there was such a diversity of events. I think that was highlighted in the intro? The "he refused to commit sin unto the point of shedding blood", is directly taken from another wiki article, I summarised a few others. The "eye for an eye" is a quote from the speech by Ahmad Saadat, I probably did get the tone wrong, but it was just a "working title" for that section, if you can think of a better one, just change it? Wikipedia is designed to be collaborative, if you think something is missing you can add it, and if you think something can be improved, you can improve it. MWQs (talk) 05:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Table formatting

Can anyone who knows how to draw up a table point me to a to do page that shows how to make a grid, with small numbers in the top right hand corner of each square? Thanks Keith-264 (talk) 15:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@Keith-264. I don't think I've ever seen that here? Can you find a post that uses that and copy from there? (tag me in reply) MWQs (talk) 06:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@MWQs: Me neither, no, I've looked. I add a note describing the formation of a convoy and the numbering system but it occurred to me that a table would help the reader. I envisage a grid to each margin with the grid number in the top rhs, possibly with the ship name in each square. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 09:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Russian War Relief

Does anyone know anything about this organization? The aims and goals are so obviously beneficial to the Soviet Union, I do wonder if there was any direct or indirect ties between them. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Military dictatorship peer review

I've just put Military dictatorship up for a peer review. Given the broad scope of the article, I'm hoping for as many different perspectives as possible. Thanks! Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Did the Philippine-American War end in 1902 or 1913?

The primary point of contention is whether or not to include the Moro Rebellion (1899-1913) within the article's info box. This placement expresses a view that the Philippine-American War did not in fact end with President Roosevelt's proclamation on July 4, 1902. It asserts the armed conflict, as a matter of fact, ended over a decade later. The single sentence in the article body used to justify the Moro Rebellion's info box inclusion asserts, "Some historians consider these unofficial extensions to be part of the war." The opposing revisions can be found here and here with related discussions here, here and here.

What I care about primarily is whether or not info box inclusion of the Moro Rebellion, juxtaposed against the canonically recognized July, 4 1902 date, will prevent this article from being assessed GA, A and eventually FA. A decision needs to be made regarding a single date that caps the episode labeled "Philippine-American War", as a matter of fact. Any input and thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Chino-Catane (talk) 01:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

What quality sources state is what really matters. -Fnlayson (talk) 02:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)