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Political groups: include deputy speakers with presiding officer?[edit]

Given that the deputy speakers don't take part in partisan politics such as votes, I think it would be more appropriate to group them under the "presiding officer" heading of the political groups section to better reflect party strengths in the house. This would mean either;

1 - Adding a new "deputy speakers" group below the existing "speaker" one, with a note explaining that deputy speakers still campaign as members of parties but are non-partisan in the house (my preference)
2 - Lumping them in with the existing "speaker" group, with a similiar note explaining 4/5 are deputy speakers and are still members of a party
3 - Adding party groups below the "speaker" group, with an explanatory note as to how they are non-partisan

Additionally, the corresponding circles in the composition diagram would be moved to a vertical line to the left of the speaker. They could either be left in party colours (A), or recoloured to a neutral "deputy speaker" colour (my preference).

Mockups for options 1, 2, and 3 are shown below. Comments welcome.

Option 1	Option 2	Option 3
HM Government Conservative Party (341) HM Most Loyal Opposition Labour Party (203)^[a] Other opposition Scottish National Party (43) Liberal Democrats (15) Democratic Unionist Party (7) Plaid Cymru (3) Alba Party (2) SDLP (2) Alliance Party (1) Green Party (1) Reform UK (1) Workers Party (1) Independents (18)^[b] Abstentionists Sinn Féin (7) Presiding officers Speaker (1) Deputy speakers (4)^[c]	HM Government Conservative Party (341) HM Most Loyal Opposition Labour Party (203)^[a] Other opposition Scottish National Party (43) Liberal Democrats (15) Democratic Unionist Party (7) Plaid Cymru (3) Alba Party (2) SDLP (2) Alliance Party (1) Green Party (1) Reform UK (1) Workers Party (1) Independents (18)^[b] Abstentionists Sinn Féin (7) Presiding officers Speaker (5)^[d]	HM Government Conservative Party (341) HM Most Loyal Opposition Labour Party (203)^[a] Other opposition Scottish National Party (43) Liberal Democrats (15) Democratic Unionist Party (7) Plaid Cymru (3) Alba Party (2) SDLP (2) Alliance Party (1) Green Party (1) Reform UK (1) Workers Party (1) Independents (18)^[b] Abstentionists Sinn Féin (7) Presiding officers Speaker (1) Conservative Party (3)^[e] Labour Party (1)^[e]

^ ^a ^b ^c Including 24 Labour and Co-operative MPs
^ ^a ^b ^c Members of the Commons can be elected as independents or leave the party of which they were elected to Parliament as a member. MPs suspended from their parliamentary party are also listed as independent. None of the current independent MPs were elected as independents, nor were any independent MPs elected at the last UK general election in 2019.
^ Includes 3 Conservative and 1 Labour MP. Deputy speakers campaign as members of their parties, but do not take part in partisan politics and remain completely impartial in the House.
^ Includes 3 Conservative and 1 Labour deputy speakers. Deputy speakers campaign as members of their parties, but do not take part in partisan politics and remain completely impartial in the House.
^ ^a ^b Deputy speakers campaign as members of their parties, but do not take part in partisan politics and remain completely impartial in the House.

Saltywalrusprkl (talk) 12:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Saltywalrusprkl: I'm not convinced that this is strictly necessary. Everything you've stated above is true, of course, but deputy speakers do not relinquish party affiliation in the same way that the speaker does – for instance, they are still part of the parliamentary party (I believe) – so I think it's quite disingenuous to recategorise them as you have done. From a quick search, the most prominent external sources (e.g. the UK Parliament website or Parallel Parliament) don't make this distinction and simply include the deputies with their parties' other MPs, which I think is reasonable. Also, this change makes the infobox internally inconsistent with pages like Parliament of the United Kingdom or Template:UK House of Commons composition, which haven't been modified accordingly. For ease of comparison with reliable sources, and to avoid having to add clarificatory footnotes across lots of articles, I suggest that we keep the infobox relatively simple and return it to what it was before. If readers do want a precise analysis of party strengths (e.g. calculation of effective majorities, taking deputy speakers into account), that's available at List of MPs elected in the 2019 United Kingdom general election. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 01:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Have reverted. Saltywalrusprkl (talk) 09:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Diagram for new parliament[edit]

I was just wondering when we should add the parliament diagram for the new composition. Presumably once all seats are declared? Gammawammallama (talk) 08:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Co-ops, and Reform UK[edit]

We should add the Co-ops to the list under labour and the TUV to reform as they share a whip AbledAtol (talk) 18:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The vacant seat has been filled[edit]

The Liberal Democrats won it. NesserWiki (talk) 11:08, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The source is Sky News. NesserWiki (talk) 11:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[lab-1] Including 24 Labour and Co-operative MPs

[Independent-2] Members of the Commons can be elected as independents or leave the party of which they were elected to Parliament as a member. MPs suspended from their parliamentary party are also listed as independent. None of the current independent MPs were elected as independents, nor were any independent MPs elected at the last UK general election in 2019.

[3] Includes 3 Conservative and 1 Labour MP. Deputy speakers campaign as members of their parties, but do not take part in partisan politics and remain completely impartial in the House.

[4] Includes 3 Conservative and 1 Labour deputy speakers. Deputy speakers campaign as members of their parties, but do not take part in partisan politics and remain completely impartial in the House.

[ds-5] Deputy speakers campaign as members of their parties, but do not take part in partisan politics and remain completely impartial in the House.

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