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2024 Tour de France

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Article: 2024 Tour de France (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cycling, Tadej Pogačar wins the Tour de France. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Tour de France, Tadej Pogačar wins the General Classification and Mark Cavendish breaks the record for stage wins.
News source(s): CNN
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The article will need a significant amount of more prose before posting. Gödel2200 (talk) 19:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Open Championship

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Article: 2024 Open Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Xander Schauffele wins the Open Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In golf, Xander Schauffele wins the Open Championship.
News source(s): ESPN
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Needs a little bit more prose before posting. Natg 19 (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I believe a photo of Xander is around. TheCorriynial (talk) 19:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Biden withdraws from US Presidential race

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Article: Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Joe Biden withdraws from the US Presidential race, following weeks of public and private pressure (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Incumbent President and Democratic nominee Joe Biden suspends his campaign for the 2024 United States presidential election.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Incumbent President and Democratic presumptive nominee Joe Biden suspends his campaign for the 2024 United States presidential election.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Incumbent President and Democratic presumptive nominee Joe Biden ends his campaign for the 2024 United States presidential election.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Incumbent President and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden ends his campaign for the 2024 United States presidential election.
Alternative blurb V: ​ Joe Biden, the incumbent president and the presumptive Democratic nominee, ends his campaign in the 2024 United States presidential election.
Alternative blurb VI: ​ Incumbent U.S. President Joe Biden ends his campaign for the Democratic Party's nomination in the 2024 presidential election.
News source(s): https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-81-pulls-out-presidential-race-2024-07-21/
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BilledMammal (talk) 18:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support The last time a president chose not to run for a second term was in 1968, this event has potential to change the outcome of this election cycle, for better or worse.
CallMeVbuck (talk) 18:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Johnson only pulled out when he almost lost the NH primary... Biden won all primaries except for AS, this might be the first time ever when a candidate for a major party had the delegates to be named the nominee... and then drop out. Scu ba (talk) 18:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As he had yet to be selected as the Democratic candidate (it was only presumptive), this is not really that significant of a story in terms of how we treat elections. --Masem (t) 18:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There were no other candidates against him. This is historically unprecedented. 331dot (talk) 21:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support First time in generations, maybe even ever, where the incumbent president drops out of their re-election bid after winning almost all the primaries and having enough delegates to be named the nominee.Scu ba (talk) 18:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt II, it is the most accurate and does the least editorializing. This is pretty huge, and has massive implications. Lunsel (talk) 18:20, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt II as well; better than the initial blurb I threw together. BilledMammal (talk) 18:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, support Alt IV; "ends" is clearer than "suspends". BilledMammal (talk) 18:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've moved that wording over my alt3; I pasted from alt1 instead of alt2 accidentally amidst edit conflicts, and accidentally left out "presumptive". —Cryptic 18:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see there is now a new Alt IV; I support either Alt IV or Alt III. BilledMammal (talk) 18:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would now also support alt IV Lunsel (talk) 18:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Agree with DarkSide. New York Times says that "No sitting president has dropped out of a race so late in the election cycle in American history". Lazman321 (talk) 18:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is in the news. Boom. That is all. Lukt64 (talk) 18:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - was going to nominate, though I could also see waiting until the convention being viable (even though it's certain that Kamala will be the nominee). — Knightoftheswords 18:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - it's ridiculous that there would be any debate on this - as this is going to be the top news story on every major global newspaper tomorrow, English language or not. It's already the top headline right now on nearly every news site that regularly updates its content. Colipon+(Talk) 18:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support, presumptive Dem nominee and incumbent president withdraws very late into the election year Personisinsterest (talk) 18:45, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These are resignations, not campaign suspensions. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Joe Biden has not resigned as president. If he were to do so, I would support that nomination. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You did ask for resignations It's also very difficult to find circumstances equivalent to this, where a leader withdrew their candidacy in the middle of an election but did remained in office until their term concluded. Vaguely similar might be Tony Blair, whose announcement that he would step down in a year we posted. BilledMammal (talk) 19:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ardern’s resignation in 2023 was posted. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support, Incumbent leader of the free world calls it quits.Not sure if his endorsed VP is presidential material but that's another tale. CoatCheck (talk) 18:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He's not the 'leader of the free world'. Nobody elected the US to be overlord of other nations. It's a ridiculous bit of cold-war posturing that makes a mockery of the freedom of other nations. GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The phrase [still acknowledged due to the U.S. role leading Western countries militarily, culturally and economically.] Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 19:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If other nations aren't free to choose this mythic 'leader of the free world', in what sense are they free? How the hell do you have an unelected leader of world democracy? It's piffle. It's about as real a title as 'king of pop', and we oughtn't to indulge it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are free to think what you wish about the use of this phrase, but that doesn't change the fact that many RS use it. 331dot (talk) 21:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My point is that it's a jingoistic peacock term with no basis in fact, and CoatCheck's use of it in their 'support' argument shouldn't count for anything. We can all use fancy terms of unsupported praise for the subjects of nominated articles, if we really want to, but it shouldn't have any bearing on whether the story gets posted. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support but wait until we've sourced everything. This has made worldwide headlines, and is likely the latest withdrawal in U.S. history. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 18:54, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no publication called 'The Times of London'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jeez louise, they posted the link. No reason to be so pedantic. Kicking222 (talk) 21:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ITN wouldn't normally include incumbents not contesting an election, but this story clearly is extremely notable and will be something the average reader may be looking for. Worth noting that one of the purposes of ITN is "To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news." With that being said, we should perhaps wait a little bit to settle on a blurb and polish the target article. Gust Justice (talk) 19:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If Biden resigned, that would be a different situation. Withdrawing a nomination is not the same as resigning. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Johnson stayed in post as PM for months after the announcement but the intent to step down was significant, as it has been in other such cases. See lame duck (politics) which explains the effect of such announcements. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: theleekycauldron gave good reasons, it's obviously the #1 news story everywhere else. No good reason to not cover it here. Blurb should say "ends" not "suspends" per NYT website top headline "BIDEN DROPS OUT OF 2024 RACE". ☆ Bri (talk) 19:03, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support - This moment has a significant impact on world politics, and it unprecedented for an American president to drop out of the race this soon before an election. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 19:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose He’s not resigning as president but just announcing his intent not to run for a second term in an election in which he would be a clear underdog according to most opinion polls in the swing states. Similar things regularly happen around the globe, so we really don’t need to set a precedent.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see you've brought back your pyschic knowledge of what is going to happen (or would have been going to happen) later in the campaign once again. Can we stick to the facts, please? GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:23, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the facts clearly tell that he’s faring bad in the swing states, and that’s even well documented in this article. If your “facts” are different, you’re invited to correct the mistakes in the article.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - He's not stepping down as president, so this is about the internal workings of a single political party. We didn't announce when Keir Starmer became Leader of the Opposition, but only when he became Prime Minister. While not exactly parallel, this is a similar situation. GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • + Blurb V: Joe Biden is the subject of the sentence so his name should appear at the start of the sentence, rather than with a wordy explanation of his position. –Vuccala (talk) 19:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stronger Support Of course! A major turning point in the race, a race which some consider to be one of the most important, if not the most important in American History! As user @AirshipJungleman29 pointed out, this has not happened since 1968. An incumbent president not even seeking re-election! Of course, a major event happening today in which the most powerful political office in the world has had a major shakeup. How is this not WAY more notable than that Vietnamese politician dying (R.I.P)? I say it must be included, no doubt about it. Jayson (talk) 19:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But we would normally only post the outcome of that race. ITN is not generally concerned with the internal mechanisms of political races. We didn't post the calling of the French snap election, nor the formation of the NFP alliance to contest it, nor the outcome of the first round. GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For context, that Vietnamese politician was the current de facto leader of Vietnam, so his death had much more direct implications. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Slightly Oppose I sort of understand the reason to post, since there has already been a lot about Biden running to continue his term (including a presidential debate), however, since he didn’t accept the nomination already, he technically wasn’t the party’s candidate yet. Plus, as mentioned, he’s not resigning, he’s just not continuing. If it was a resignation or a removal from power, it would be important. This isn’t a major change on the world stage, it’s only a change for the US. Kybrion (talk) 19:22, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly agree. And we should not have posted when Boris Johnson announced his resignation (but only when he actually went), and I have no desire to repeat that error here. GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Joe Biden wasn't just a "Potential candidate". He already won the primary elections and was the presumptive nominee. --Pithon314 (talk) 19:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But we don't post the outcomes of the primaries. We don't post the outcomes of the party conventions. We post the outcome of the election, and this isn't that. This is an internal party matter. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose seriously not. Domestic politics and another political drama. Per milionth time, this is not a news ticket, this is not a NYT headlines, and this us not USApedia. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This has made headlines across the globe. Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And? This is not a Breaking News ticket. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Oppose By itself, being domestic politics doesn't automatically mean it shouldn't be featured at ITN (see WP:ITNCDONT, Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one). However, if it happened in another country, it would very much not have been blurbed, as it is one more campaign development rather than a definitive result, so posting it would risk reinforcing the Euro-American bias already present on ITN. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Chaotic Enby: I'm struggling to think of any other country this - a leader withdrawing their candidacy during the election campaign, but remaining in power until the end of their term - has happened in. The closest I can think of is John Howard announcing at the start of the 2007 Australian election that if he won he would immediately step down and make Peter Costello prime minister, but even that isn't quite the same thing, as he was still running from Prime Minister.
    I genuinely think that we would post this for any country in the G20, at the very least.
    (Also, it's clearly snowing, so while it might seem I'm debating the merits of this proposal, I'm actually using this as an excuse to try to find similar events) BilledMammal (talk) 20:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    François Hollande announcing in December 2016 (less than five months before the 2017 French presidential election) that he would not run for his own reelection. That came as a massive surprise, even though Hollande was already polling very low at the time. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I considered that (we didn't post it - it wasn't even nominated), but it wasn't quite as last minute as this, with the Socialists having time to hold a primary. BilledMammal (talk) 20:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support The political equivalent of Michael Jordan stepping back from basketball at the peak of his career. We are truly on the most interesting timeline. Schierbecker (talk) 19:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Event is clearly "In the News". BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Per User:Theleekycauldron this is front page breaking news worldwide. --Pithon314 (talk) 19:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This important development is clearly going to be the most significant event reported worldwide today, by a wide margin. Frankly, the idea that we might even consider omitting it from our "in the news" section would be met with confusion, disbelief, and scorn if it were suggested anywhere else than on this page. Newyorkbrad (talk) 19:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per WP:IAR. Yes it's pre-election news, yes it's to do with candidacy, but it's undoubtedly the biggest news and it's what people are looking for. BBC News on television is frozen on this story ever since it broke, so it's hardly a parochial US story (I don't know on what planet the US president is a local-only story). Don't tell me that people are also looking for Taylor Swift or the latest Netflix releases, this is undoubtedly not the same tihng. This involves the incumbent president, it is extremely late in the electoral cycle, making it unprecedented as to what happens next. To my knowledge, the last time the incumbent pulled out was LBJ, who did so very early in the primaries, thus allowing the Democrats to elect their candidate the standard way. Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Not remotely ITN material, this would set a terrible precedent for posting news ticker material. I was unsure if this would be nominated or not, I thought someone might try it and it would be SNOW closed quickly, so genuinely gobsmacked to see this with support. We'll post the US election when the winner is known in November, but other than that we do not post details of the primaries and candidate selection and other minutiae. Do not post.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I wouldn’t qualify this as minutiae. Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:20, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, it's rendered more newsworthy because of the last-minute decision and the will-he-won't-he speculation of the last few weeks. Everyone's talking about the story now. But ultimately, objectively it's just a detail in the candidate selection process for the election. If Biden had chosen not to run back in January, would we have posted that? If Trump were to unexpectedly pull out now, would we post that? He's not standing down as president. I just think anything about the internals of an election is, from the point of view of ITN, minutiae.
  • Support though strongly suggest alt blurb that includes the endorsement of Harris. Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support This is a significant event that's not happened in modern history. Alt blurb II is the most accurate. TheSavageNorwegian 20:23, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops. The reporting is about "ending" his campaign, not suspending it. I'm sure technically it will be suspended for campaign finance rules, but if everyone and everywhere is saying "ended" than we should say it too. TheSavageNorwegian 20:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support This is the biggest news of the week by far globally, will be talked about for decades to come in historical and political circles, and there has never been an incumbent, eligible American president declining to run for reelection in the age of the internet. RPH (talk) 20:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - In ten years, today will be noted as merely an important-ish moment during the 2024 US presidency, of which there were several, but Biden is still the president, that isn't changing anytime soon (hopefully). ITN should be reserved for hugely significant moments. And I don't think what happened today qualifies. For the US, certainly, but Wikipedia is Wikipedia for everyone. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:Notcrystallball. How can you say it won't be considered important?
    Maybe it will be considered very important for history of US. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:37, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support If he'd just decided not to run for a second term, this would not be ITN-worthy. It would just be tired old man do as he said and don't run again. But this late in the race, with all the mess and waves this makes, it will affect not just the US. Most of the world is watching too. Cart (talk) 20:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability. Unprecedented situation in State regarding circumstances and very very rare. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Very important news not only for the United States, but for the international community. It radically changes the course of the world's most important election. Notorious enough to be in 'In the News'.
Hume42 (talk) 20:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - US-centric internal politics. If this was happening in any other country, "incumbent who has been in power for only 4 years declines to run again due to health concerns" is just an event in an election cycle. This event is very important to one country, one that just happens to be over represented on this website. Those who are saying "this has never happened before" or "last time this happened was in the 1960s" are assuming the reader implicitly agrees that elections in other countries don't count. BugGhost🦗👻 20:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is very clearly "in the news". Additionally, the last time this occurred was with Lyndon B. Johnson, 56 years ago. It is clearly a very rare thing and sets a precedent not only for the USA but also for the international community. IncompA 21:03, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose I'm not really convinced of the significance of this. If he were resigning as president I would surely support, but withdrawing from an election isn't really any more significant than the results of primaries or other internal party matters which aren't ever posted, only the result of the actual election. I don't think there's much reason to believe the course of the election will radically change with a Trump victory still most likely. Out of 195 countries in the world I'm sure there's frequent "never happened before/rarely happens in this country's politics" moments. Being "in the news" isn't enough for ITN - otherwise it would end up a celebrity news ticker --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 21:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Absoutely NOT - We post the result of the election, not the processes or incidents that get us there. -- KTC (talk) 21:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. We wouldn't post when he was formally selected as nominee by the DNC, so we equally shouldn't post that he won't be. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We posted such an incident just a week ago – the shooting at a Trump election rally. The claim that we only post election results is clearly false. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Candidates being shot at is not part of the electoral process! It was an assassination attempt, and we (rightly) posted the attempted assassination if Robert Fico earlier this year. Its newsworthiness was only tangentially related to the fact that it happened at a rally. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, the shooting story was big because of its effect on the campaign. It's one of the reasons that Biden has now withdrawn --it highlighted the apparent difference in the candidates' vigour. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see your point but the assassination attempt was featured because of the nature of the event being an assassination attempt on a major political figure as opposed to its effect on the campaign. No doubt it helped Trump but it was not the subject of the event. Joecompan (talk) 22:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It absolutely is. The presumptive nominee doesn't let his name go forward to the national convention. That's entirely the internal workings of a party's campaign. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it is. More than evident. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This is either ITN or it isn't. This is in the news and is historically rare. 331dot (talk) 21:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Biden’s withdrawal is internal party politics. Including this should also then warrant inclusion of DNC candidate next month, which we obviously shouldn't do. — hako9 (talk) 21:43, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    People trying to gauge what's important by analyzing this directly miss the whole point of Wikipedia. We're supposed to look at reliable sources for guidance wherever possible. This isn't newsworthy or not newsworthy because it's an internal political event or a major U.S. story – it's newsworthy because it's in the news. All over the world. Right now. That's the only metric that really matters. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Except we do not base postings primarily how many sites have a story on their front page, see WP:ITNATA. -Mika1h (talk) 22:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    you could pretty easily eliminate the "internal politics" objection as an argument that deals with the appropriateness of topics in general but also ignores the specific story being discussed, so ITNATA would disqualify most of the arguments in this thread. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Announcement to withdraw a few months back would also have the same world ramifications and the same amount of headlines, but wouldn't have the overwhelming ITN inclusion concensus. Since it's closer to the dnc now, the significance is limited to higher likelihood of Trump winning as Andrew points below. And if that's the only factor, we shouldn't include this. — hako9 (talk) 22:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is not just an internal matter because Biden is the incumbent. His lame duck status now reduces his clout when dealing with other countries. And the announcement also affects the likelihood of Trump becoming president again which also influences international relations. That's why the rest of the world is taking such an interest in this (unlike Nepal or Rwanda). Andrew🐉(talk) 21:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Do Nepal or Rwanda not have international relations? BugGhost🦗👻 22:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The president of the United States is in the middle of a re-election campaign, about 3 and half months before election, when he stops this campaign and announces he will not seek re-election. It is a significant event in world politics, because the U.S. president is an important figure in world politics. Would not be that significant if it concerned a country with lesser military and political influence. Periwinklewrinkles (talk) 21:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Even though I am coming to more philosophical views on ITN's purpose and what non-regular-user readers are quickly looking for, there isn't much to say about this except it happened. In more conventional !vote argument territory, we do not post when the parties select their candidates, and this is effectively just one part of that process and inherently less notable within the whole election. It could also create precedent for posting whenever an incumbent leader says they will not be seeking re-election, an often nothingburger of a story. Kingsif (talk) 21:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support A U.S. president stepping down from the election just months away from when it’s going to occur is a very rare event and deserves coverage. Hungry403 (talk) 22:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support with Alternative blurb IV. This is the first of such an occurrence since 1968. Just as Trump's assassination made ITN, so too should Biden's withdrawal from the race. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 22:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 20

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2024 Israeli strikes on Yemen

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Article: 2024 Israeli strikes on Yemen (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israel conducts airstrikes on military sites of the Houthi movement near Hudaydah Port in Yemen. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Military sites of the Houthi movement are struck by Israeli airstrikes in response to an attack the day prior.
News source(s): NYTimes CNN Al Jazeera
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Notable escalation of the Red Sea crisis. Article is fairly well developed and well sourced. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 18:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, leaning oppose We should wait to see how things pan out but unless something major happens, I would be opposing this nomination. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 19

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(Posted) RD: Ray Reardon

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Article: Ray Reardon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky News
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Welsh professional snooker player and six time world champion. Fats40boy11 (talk) 11:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ready it is an FA, ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kevan Gosper

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Article: Kevan Gosper (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 7News
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Article updated
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Australian sprinter and IOC administrator. 240F:7A:6253:1:B4E6:BF25:CCA1:9374 (talk) 09:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose IOC section needs more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sheila Jackson Lee

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Article: Sheila Jackson Lee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Announcement via her official Twitter, CNN
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American congressional representative from Houston. Will update with a proper news source once available - CNN reported it live just minutes ago. The Kip (contribs) 03:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Supporrt Blurb, shes an incumbent congresswomen Lukt64 (talk) 06:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, barring maybe the sitting House Speaker, a single congressperson doesn’t come particularly close to the level of a blurb. The Kip (contribs) 07:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Assignments and Caucus memberships need references and Eulogies section needs to be sorted out. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Iryna Farion

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Article: Iryna Farion (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kyiv Independent
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Ukrainian politician who was assassinated in Lviv. Gödel2200 (talk) 02:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Toumani Diabaté

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Article: Toumani Diabaté (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Point
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Mooonswimmer 22:46, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose few cn tags needs to be sorted out. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've sorted out two, just one left in the discography section. Mooonswimmer 20:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) ICJ case on Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories

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Article: ICJ case on Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The International Court of Justice finds the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories to be a violation of international law. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian Reuters Haaretz
Credits:

Article updated

Boud (talk) 22:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support as the court noted, this ruling has significance beyond Israel and Palestine (t · c) buidhe 23:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good. Very notable indeed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, notable and far beyond the scope of the ongoing war (the request for the case was registered by the ICJ in January 2023). I'm afraid the "Reactions" section might be a bit too unbalanced, as the vast majority of the people quoted are Israeli politicians. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for notability and international significance. ArkHyena (talk) 01:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability particularly because the ruling says Israel "should put an end to its illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories, desist from creating new settlements, and evacuate those already established." Currently, the formatting of the reactions section is suboptimal, and should be broken into subsections; for example, see the South Africa's genocide case against Israel article. Gödel2200 (talk) 01:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. BilledMammal (talk) 02:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability and quality. --NoonIcarus (talk) 02:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Somewhat oppose on quality only - the "Oral Presentation" and "Reactions" sections, as typical, are just lists of any thrown reaction to this ruling and should be neither trying to be complete nor simply presented as a list. The Oral Presentations should likely be made into a narrative to describe the major points made by the countries as a group, for example, not how each country presented. Also, if we can indicate that this is a non-binding verdict (because Israel, nor the US for that matter have signed onto the ICJ recognition) in the blurb, that would be helpful. --Masem (t) 02:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per all above. The Kip (contribs) 02:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support And for once I have no concern with the list-y sections. The first is a part of the court proceedings, right? And it's well-written even if it looks like flag soup from a glance. The reactions is not the best, but it's less "X from Country said thoughts and prayers" and more relevant people reflecting on material consequences. Do I like the bullet layout for the reactions? Not particularly, but (even considering the page protection) it seems like a valid way to stop that section becoming a repository for unsubstantial responses. Kingsif (talk) 03:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    the problem with the court proceedings is that we don't normally document cases to that level. When and where they happened, sure, and the broad scope of the arguments, but just listing what each country said without further context is not really helpful. — Masem (t) 04:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nominal support: Significant ruling from the ICJ, but as we did not post previous ICJ rulings on the conflict, I am not sure whether there is a precedent for posting this either. Tofusaurus (talk) 03:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The most recent ICJ case proposed for posting was the South Africa v Israel genocide case in January, but iirc that was a preliminary ruling and was also considerably more weak in content (basically politely asked Israel to not commit genocidal acts, and politely asked Hamas to release the hostages), so it ultimately didn't develop consensus to post. By comparison, this is a far more concrete ruling, and this case has been running since long before the war broke out anyways. The Kip (contribs) 05:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per all above MAL MALDIVE (talk) 06:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As Israel isn't is part of this system and the court has no way to enforce its rulings, the impact should be as minimal as when another uninvolved party declares as much. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Israel is in fact part of the United Nations system. Neljack (talk) 02:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I got it confused with the ICC. Sorry. On paper, all UN members are encouraged to obey this court. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 09:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb: Nguyen Phu Trong

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Article: Nguyen Phu Trong (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  General Secretary and former President of Vietnam Nguyễn Phú Trọng dies at the age of 80. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mooonswimmer (talk • contribs) 12:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) July 2024 global cyber outages

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Article: July 2024 global cyber outages (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A faulty software update causes global cyber outages. (Post)
News source(s): skynews
Credits:

Article updated

Article hasn't been updated but if reporting accurate then this is definitely notable enough. Impacts include flight groundings and emergency phone services. [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe worth creating a 2024 CrowdStrike outages article? [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 07:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks to be at July 2024 global IT outages currently. Ionmars10 (talk) 07:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright we ball. Draft:2024 CrowdStrike outages [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 07:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: M. S. Valiathan

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Article: M. S. Valiathan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Eminent cardiac surgeon and MAHE's first Vice-Chancellor Dr M S Valiathan passes away
Credits:

Article updated
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Added some references. Still there is manual of style tag in the article. Pachu Kannan (talk) 09:24, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 18

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RD: Sarah Gibson (composer)

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Article: Sarah Gibson (composer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): pianospheres.org
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American pianist and composer, one of her orchestral pieces was supposed to be played at the BBC Proms. 38. I tried to collect what I could find. Washington Post article is paywalled. First obit was dated 18 Jul, that's why I put her here. Help appreciated. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ursula von der Leyen is re-elected

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Article: Ursula von der Leyen (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ursula von der Leyen (pictured) is re-elected President of the European Commission (Post)
News source(s): Politico BBC
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The election of the head of the European Commission has been considered ITN-worthy in the past as head of government of a sui generis entity and as a major global political figure. Von der Leyen's article is in very good condition and, looking back in history, the re-election for a second term of an EC president is not that usual. We should remeber also that 2024 European Parliament election failed to be included in Main Page in June. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support on notability While not ITNR, the president of the European commission heads the executive branch of the EU, which I think is significant enough. The article currently has two cn's and an outdated tag. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Nigerian general strike

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Article: 2024 Nigerian general strike (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Nigerian government and trade unions agree to a national minimum wage increase, concluding weeks of negotiations after a nationwide general strike. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters; Bloomberg; This Day
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Grnrchst (talk) 12:54, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose The article says that "The country's national grid and its airports were shut down on 3 June 2024, as were banks, hospitals and schools...The following day, the NLC and TUC suspended the strike, pending talks with the government over raising the minimum wage.", but it does not indicate that a situation like that was occurring at the time the deal was agreed upon. I think that this would only warrant a blurb if something at the scale of what was happening on 3 June was also happening at the time of the resolution. Gödel2200 (talk) 02:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Cheng Pei-pei

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Article: Cheng Pei-pei (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
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Chinese actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:D4D8:CC5F:57E2:43F2 (talk) 02:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Filmography seems to be a common stumbling block. Bremps... 19:33, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose filmography is entirely unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Abner Haynes

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Article: Abner Haynes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
Credits:

Article updated
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Member of the Chiefs Hall of Fame. 240F:7A:6253:1:D4D8:CC5F:57E2:43F2 (talk) 01:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Professional career section's orange tag needs to be resolved. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lou Dobbs

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Article: Lou Dobbs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Newsweek
Credits:

Article updated
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Relatively good shape. Natg 19 (talk) 20:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I hated this man but his article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bob Newhart

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Article: Bob Newhart (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

Article updated
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Needs work, but a big name in entertainment.Natg 19 (talk) 20:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose outstanding number of cn tags needs to be resolved, Although, I would have been okay with a blurb but article's quality won't allow it. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Fresia Saavedra

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Article: Fresia Saavedra (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Universo
Credits:

Article updated
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Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks ready indeed. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 17

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RD: Pat Williams (basketball)

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Article: Pat Williams (basketball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

Article updated
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NBA executive and co-founder of the Orlando Magic. 240F:7A:6253:1:D4D8:CC5F:57E2:43F2 (talk) 01:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose several cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bernice Johnson Reagon

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Article: Bernice Johnson Reagon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

Article updated
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Thriley (talk) 01:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not ready same issues remain. Bremps... 19:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose several cn tags and lede needs to be rewritten. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement

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Article: 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Bangladesh, protests against the reinstatement of the Quota system of Bangladesh Civil Service leave six people dead. (Post)
News source(s): Gulf News
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Ongoing protests in Bangladesh. The article needs some copyediting, and currently has an empty section. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Despite a frowned-upon gallery section, the article seem alright for mainpage posting. Seems major. Bremps... 19:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I agree with you on both points. 64.114 etc 19:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The Kip has a point to this. Solid article, growing protests. 209.121.102.221 (talk) 20:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now until something substantial happens. Protests are commonplace in every corner of the world and are not automatically ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, six people died. Hundreds are wounded. Bremps... 21:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now Not the best prose and poorly formatted. Of dubious notability for ITN Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 02:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – The copyedit tag is a bit of a problem, but I think the article is in a good state overall. I think the correct date for this is probably July 16, when the Chhatra League fired on university students. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:27, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support clearly important to a lot of people Kasperquickly (talk) 09:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Important and well-cited article. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 09:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality. Apart from a lot of poor prose, there are uncited statements (some contentious) together with a lot of "he said, she said" material which doesn't appear to match the sources. For example, the sentence In light of these events, the Prime Minister questioned the education of the protesters and described their behaviour as "very regrettable" is sourced to this, so the first part of the sentence is synthesis from the source, and the words "very regrettable" don't appear at all. Or this section In the early hours of 16 July, at around 12:15 am, members of the Chhatra League attacked Jahangirnagar University students using firearms is sourced to this in which firearms aren't mentioned. And this is just a couple of the English sources I've looked at, not being able to read Bengali which makes up at least half of the sources. Black Kite (talk) 10:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Over 100 deaths[1], total mobile internet shutdown, 7.5 million Bangladeshi diaspora can’t communicate with their relatives, they have no connection with their family and beloved one, don’t know even if they are death or alive, [2] military curfew imposed [3] [4]!! We guys can wait and carry on other best/important things!! Pathetic world!! 2A0A:A546:7913:0:A5AA:AB38:D931:A81D (talk) 05:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Obviously these events are important, but we only post articles that are also in good shape. Please see WP:ITN. Staraction (talk | contribs) 20:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality while it is no doubt newsworthy due to it's impact and massive death toll, the article is a mess. It has multiple orange tags, timeline section needs to be rewritten and Gallery section needs captions. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: David Morrow (commentator)

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Article: David Morrow (commentator) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 9News
Credits:

Article updated
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Australian sports commentator. 240F:7A:6253:1:A573:E493:327E:FFAE (talk) 13:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is in good shape with no CN tags. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 05:54, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest that his death should appear in the body of the article and once that's done, this is good to go. Schwede66 02:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Muscat mosque shooting

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Article: 2024 Muscat mosque shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A mass shooting at a mosque in Muscat, Oman, leaves nine people dead and more than thirty others injured. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Al Jazeera, Reuters, AP News, France 24
Credits:

Ainty Painty (talk) 04:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability such incidents are rare occurrence in Oman and majority of deaths are of foreign citizens therefore it is notable but article currently needs a bit expansion. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability I agree with the Prince of Punjab. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:1441:FA7C:FF75:8B58 (talk) 06:01, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support; it is sure agreeable that rare occurrences are notable for being rare.2605:8D80:325:ABB8:9C9B:AB1E:5AFC:DE95 (talk) 06:03, 17 July 2024 (UTC) Incoherent rationale. Struck through. Bremps... 19:07, 17 July 2024 (UTC) [reply]
What’s with the sudden increase in these oddly-worded/near-nonsensical votes popping up on ITN/C lately? This is at least the fourth or fifth vote I’ve seen from an IP in the last few weeks that could’ve conceivably been AI-generated. The Kip (contribs) 07:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it's... weird. I don't think it's AI, but I'm far from certain. Kicking222 (talk) 13:41, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support even though the article does need a bit of an expansion. 64.114 etc 06:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Should mention in the blurb that this is the first instance of ISIS launching an attack in Oman. Bremps... 19:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, with no comment on quality (haven't read the article yet). Oman is arguably the most peaceful country in the Middle East, so a massacre there—especially if it was done by ISIS or any other terrorist organization—is highly notable. Kurtis (talk) 02:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Who, what, where, when, why and how are answered. It'd be best if we mention that Oman has never suffered an ISIS attack before. Bremps... 02:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Rwandan general election

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Article: 2024 Rwandan general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Paul Kagame (pictured) is re-elected to a fourth term in the 2024 Rwandan general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In an election criticized for being unfair, Paul Kagame (pictured) is re-elected to a fourth term as president and the Rwanda Patriotic Front and allied parties win a majority in the parliament.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Staraction (talk | contribs) 00:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article is of sufficient quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This election is of... dubious, shall we say, fairness and the article does not fully reflect that reality. Bremps... 04:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TLDR only two of the eight candidates who wanted to run against Kagame were allowed to run, and Kagame allegedly won 99% of the vote. Bremps... 04:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This was a sham election and the article does not show that. Also, WP:ITNELECTIONS mentions Changes in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government but he has been in his office for almost two and a half decades now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think this was marked as ITNR because it was a general election, not because it was a change in the executive. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But the blurb have no mention of the parliamentary elections and mentions only the presidential one. PrinceofPunjabTALK 16:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The current blurb mentions the general election as a whole, which includes both the parliamentary and presidential ones. It explicitly mentions the reelection of Kagame as he is the executive, but it certainly could also mention the results in the parliament. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per PrinceofPunjab. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose per PrinceOfPunjab. If it does end up posted, I’d support using the “announced as the winner of the election” wording we’ve had for previous elections of dubious fairness. The Kip (contribs) 07:07, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, the article is still ITN/R as a general election, but the article does not mention the parliament's election results at all. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 07:53, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. While probably not "free and fair", the election did actually take place and the people did vote for Kagame, so this election is covered by ITN/R and we've generally always posted it in the past. It might be good for the "aftermath" section to mention any international organisations saying it wasn't free and fair, but I'm not sure there are any yet. No doubt when that happens, we can update the article but for now I think it's good to go. I've also updated the results to show the provisional figures for parliament.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose we don't know how many people actually voted for Kagame. Significant election fraud is not out of the question. It would require sources to claim this election is different from the many sham elections held in Rwanda since 1994. (t · c) buidhe 23:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per PrinceofPunjab. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:43, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article sort of explains why the election was not free and fair - i.e. real opponents of Kagame are barred from even standing in the first place, the other "candidates" are Government-approved ones to ensure the appearance of democracy - but it should be (and needs to be) a lot clearer. Currently a casual reader would assume that Kagame is enthusiastically backed by nearly 100% of the Rwandan population, whereas in reality the claim that turnout was 98% is ... fanciful. Black Kite (talk) 11:44, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Amakuru. Wikipedia gives cited facts so readers can draw their own conclusions. This article meets NPOV adequately already, and when more refs regarding its lack of fairness should come, those would be welcome too. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 15:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Amakuru, although I do believe the election was unfair it's still a election which was voted for. We should add sources saying if the election was fair or not when they come Sharrdx (talk) 15:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose -- unfair and unfree election is not ITNR. --RockstoneSend me a message! 20:17, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Not presumed notable, but not necessarily non-notable. Bremps... 21:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Blaylockjam10 @Chaotic Enby @Andrew Davidson @PrinceofPunjab @Black Kite I've added more to the article hopefully demonstrating more critically the way the election was not free and fair. Let me know if the article still needs more work in that department. I've also updated the altblurb with more details & with slightly different wording (including the results of the parliamentary election). Let me know if that needs more work as well (in particular - is it too long for ITN standards?) Staraction (talk | contribs) 22:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Support Much better now. Bremps... 00:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's the blurb that's the issue rather than the article. Presenting this in a formulaic way is a false equivalence which misleads the reader. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Per norm, it's a national election. Scu ba (talk) 23:41, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Although notable and the article is looking better, I oppose the current blurb per PrinceofPunjab and The Kip. The current blurb is misleading by omission. It misleads the reader into a sense of equivalency by using the same terminology we have used for actual free and fair elections. I do support altblurb. FlipandFlopped ツ 01:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability—A glorified referendum on Kagame's continued dictatorship it is, and the blurb should make this clear, but it's an actual election in a de jure "democracy". It merits a mention on the main page. Kurtis (talk) 02:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted, there's no section in the article on how it was not free or fair, Stephen 02:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting straw poll on changing it to "declared winner" This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As stated above, I support this as the default when the election isn’t considered free/fair by RSes. The Kip (contribs) 03:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As long as the article is updated to align to any wording that you want here. Stephen 03:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Support "declared winner" I think the following is enough:

    The only three presidential candidates allowed to run were the same as from 2017, where Kagame won with more than 98% of the vote. DW described the election as a "re-run of the non-contest in 2017."[27] Amnesty International criticized the censorship of opposition in the race as having "a chilling effect and limits the space for debate for people of Rwanda". The Independent described the election as "widely criticised as unfair."[4]

    Bremps... 06:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's fine as is I would think. I'm not a fan of editorialising in blurbs, and while this argument comes up time and time again here for Russian, Rwandan and other elections I don't think we've ever deviated from the simple statement of who won and leaving the detail to the article. And therefore it would be wrong to carve out an exception for this specific case. If there's a prior precedent then please point it out to me. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 07:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    comment here's an easy solution, just mention the percentage of the vote (99%) that he got, that should tell everyone with an iq of above like 3 what that election was like Kasperquickly (talk) 09:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Won't work, since reporting isn't done. Well, "reporting". Bremps... 15:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    that should tell everyone with an iq of above like 3 what that election was like
    As you've been told before, quit it with the personalized commentary. The Kip (contribs) 19:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For the Russian election, the blurb was

    Vladimir Putin is announced to be the winner of the Russian presidential election, securing a fifth term.

    That’s still too weak for my taste & I’d write it as “announced as” instead of “announced to be”, but it’s better than the current blurb for the Rwandan election. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:02, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 16

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(Posted) RD: Peter Courtney

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Article: Peter Courtney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Oregonian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:04, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, article in good shape. Staraction (talk | contribs) 00:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:01, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted—Bagumba (talk) 22:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Joe Bryant

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Article: Joe Bryant (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Kobe's father and professional player and coach. Needs some work. Natg 19 (talk) 16:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose at least three cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added more refs, needs one for international coaching record, though perhaps that section could just be removed. Natg 19 (talk) 17:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jacques Boudet

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Article: Jacques Boudet (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Figaro
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

French actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:64A3:5EA7:A3BF:F045 (talk) 09:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 15

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2024 Syrian parliamentary election

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Article: 2024 Syrian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Syria, Bashar al-Assad's (pictured) Ba'ath Party wins the 2024 Syrian parliamentary election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Syria, the Ba'ath Party (leader Bashar al-Assad pictured) is declared the winner of the parliamentary election
News source(s): AP/ABC Al Arabiya
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Was it a free and fair election, no, but it was still a national election and deserves a spot in the news per ITNR Scu ba (talk) 03:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Peter Buxtun

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Article: Peter Buxtun (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): PBS NewsHour
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Whistleblower who revealed the Tuskegee syphilis experiment. He died back in May, but from what I can tell, it was reported in reliable sources on July 15. Legoktm (talk) 16:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Norm Hewitt

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Article: Norm Hewitt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New Zealand Herald
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

New Zealand All Blacks rugby union player. 240F:7A:6253:1:3588:1738:72A2:F85A (talk) 07:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there is an cn tag and Career highlights list needs more more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Chinese cooking oil scandal

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(non-admin closure) Consensus to post is unlikely to develop. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:07, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Food safety incidents in China (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Chinese cooking oil scandal (Post)
News source(s): DW
Credits:

Article updated
"The investigative report into the latest scandal revealed that two tanker trucks had been loaded with cooking oil for delivery immediately after carrying chemical products, a cost-saving measure that the media said had become an "open secret" in the supply chain." Count Iblis (talk) 17:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose One sentence update is not sufficient for a posting.
Noah, BSBATalk 17:43, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Two dirty tanker trucks is relatively insignificant.
Celjski Grad (talk) 17:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2024 Copa América final

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Article: 2024 Copa América final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, Argentina defeat Colombia to win the 2024 Copa América. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In association football, Argentina defeats Colombia to win the 2024 Copa América.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In association football, the 2024 Copa América final ends 1-0, Argentina over Colombia.
News source(s): The Athletic
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Article is well-referenced as of nomination, with a few updates being added. — MarkH21talk 04:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  3. ^ https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/19/bangladesh-imposes-communications-blackout-as-protest-violence-continues
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